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| Dec-30-04 |
| pkjohn146: <Anderssen was consistently defeated by Eichborn and Morphy. His record is not at the level of other world chess champions.> I don't know anything about Eichborn, but Anderssen was defeated by Morphy because Morphy was ahead of his time when it came to developing his pieces and positional play. However, Anderssen was no slouch by any means, and we would do well to study his games for the beauty of his combinative play. And to quote from Yasser Seirawan's "Winning Chess Tactics",
<'It was a tribute to his standing in the chess world that Paul Morphy was universally considered the strongest player in the world after defeating Anderssen in 1958. After Wilhelm Steinitz edged Anderssen out of the winner's seat with a score of 8-6 in 1866, he claimed to be the first world champion and was generally accepted as such. It is worth noting that Anderssen is the man he had to beat to wear this crown.'(pg 143)> |
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Feb-26-05
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| patzer2: Black's stunning 21...Qf1+! is the first of two key deflections to set up a winning discovered check, which White is powerless to stop, even with an extra but useless tempo to try and escape. |
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Feb-26-05
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| kevin86: A great game throughout by Anderssen! Doesn' it seem that Anderssen played more of these type games,than anyone else-except Morphy? |
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| Feb-26-05 |
| Saruman: <patzer2> Its <20.-Qf1+> NOT 21.-Qf1+. |
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Feb-26-05
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| patzer2: <Saruman> Thanks for the correction. |
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| Feb-26-05 |
| dzanone: I remember vividly, finding the chess article in Encyclopedia Brittanica, way back in 1966 in the school library, copying The Immortal Game by hand, and going home and playing it. I was hooked for life. Kudos to Adolf for his beautiful creations. Adolf was an artist of the chessboard; Steinitz an engineer. The game needs both. |
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Feb-27-05
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| patzer2: Does anyone have some strong analysis (published or otherwise) to determine where White went wrong in this game? It appears to me White is busted after 13. Bxa8!, but my computer's analysis is extremely complicated and unclear (often switching assessments in key lines from lost to won for Black). |
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Feb-27-05
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| Calli: <Patzer2> 9.Bb5+ turns out to be a mistake. Black won the overwhelming majority. Players soon switched to 9.Nc3 and the line disappeared for long time. See Morphy vs Bird, 1858 A good example of the influence of Morphy style piece development. |
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| Feb-28-05 |
| sneaky pete: 11.Nxc6? .. is a mistake, white should play 11.Bc4 .. with equal chances. Thomas Johansson suggests 10... Nxc6! gives black the advantage, so 9.Bb5+ .. remains the chief suspect. |
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Mar-01-05
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| patzer2: <Calli> and <sneaky pete> Thanks for the help. If White is busted after 13. Bxa8, then it is now clear to me that 11. Nxc6?? was the decisive blunder and that 9. Bb5+? was also a mistake. |
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| Sep-13-05 |
| Medical Director: Excellent analysises.
How about this one?
18...Qxe4
19. QxQ Re2!
20. Kg1 Re1!
21. Kf2 Rf1#
Is that a winning line for black?
and if 19. Be3 QxB#
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| Sep-13-05 |
| sneaky pete: <Medical Director> I suppose you mean 18... Qxd4+? 19.Qxd4+ .. after which the mate in # is illegal as it leaves the black king in check. |
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| Nov-28-05 |
| Sargon1: Maybe White can save the game with 20. e4! and now :
- 20...xe4+ 21. xe4  c4! (21...g3+ 22. g1 gxh2+ 23.xh2 xe4 24.dxe5 g6 25.f1 g3+ 26.g1 f3 27.f2 xf2 28.xf2 fxg2 29.e3  ) 22.c3! g3+ 23.g1 xd4+ 24.xd4+ xd4+ 25.cxd4 gxh2+ 26.xh2  xe4 27.d2 f3 28.e1 fxg2 29.xg2 xh4 30.d5 f6= |
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| Nov-28-05 |
| Sargon1: or :
- 20...f6!? (with the idea xd4  ) 21.xg3! fxg3+ 22.g1 xd4+ 23.h1 e5 24.c4 gxh2 25.f1 b6 26.h6+ xh6 27.xf5 xb2 28.f1 d4 (28...xa2 29.xg4 c2 30.d7 d3 31.xf6 xf6 32.xe8=) 29.e4 e7 30.xg4 xc4 31.f5 e6 (31...xa2 32.g4! g8 33.g5! fxg5 34.c1 gxh4 35.c6+ g7 36.c8 e8 37.xe8 xe8 38.xh7+ f8 39.f5+ g7 40.h7 ) 32.f2  |
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| Nov-28-05 |
| EmperorAtahualpa: wow <Sargon1>, all those icons make me dizzy! lol |
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| Feb-12-06 |
| Joao Quintas Godinho: How i love Romantic periode... |
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| Apr-02-06 |
| DeepBlade: A really neat wednesday puzzle, dont you think?
20. ...? |
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| Apr-02-06 |
| notsodeepthought: I agree that the position might lend itself to a Wed puzzle but I suspect this game is simply too famous for that, regardless of the day. This is probably Anderssen's most famous combo other than the "Evergreen" and the "Immortal". |
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| May-15-07 |
| BabalooMoon: <Sargon 1 > If 20.Ne4 then 20...Qb5 and I think White is still lost. |
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Nov-04-07
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| nimh: Rybka 2.4 mp, AMD X2 2.01GHz, 10 min per move, threshold 0.33. Rosanes 2 mistakes:
18.Na4 -5.23 (18.a4 -0.96)
20.a4 #4 (20.Ne4 -1.62)
Anderssen 2 mistakes:
14...Bf5 -0.71 (14...Qe7+ -1.87)
18...Qa6 -1.49 (18...Qb4 -5.23) |
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| Oct-13-08 |
| CharlesSullivan: If 14.Kf2, Kasparov (in MGP-I, pp.29-31) gives 14...Nxh1+ 15.Qxh1 g3+ 16.Ke1 Qe7+ 17.Kd1 Bg4+ 18.Bf3 Bxf3+ 19.gxf3 Rg8 20.Qg2 Qxh4 21.Ke2 Qh2 22.Kf1 h5 and "the advance of the h-pawn is decisive." If we continue with Kasparov's idea, play would be 23.Nc3 h4 24.Ne2 h3 25.Qg1 Kg7 26.Bd2 Kf6 27.c4 Kf5 28.Rd1 Bc7 29.c5 Bd8 30.Bxf4 g2+ 31.Kf2 Bh4+ 32.Ke3 and Black's kingside threats look impressive:
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But White has an extra knight and pawn; after 32...Qxg1+ 33.Nxg1 Re8+ 34.Kd3 Kxf4 35.Nxh3+ Kxf3 36.Ng1+ Kf2 37.d5 Rh8 38.Nh3+ Kg3 39.Ng1 Bg5 40.Ke4 the computers cannot find a win for Black, who is still a pawn down. After 14.Kf2 Nxh1+ 15.Qxh1, Black has a somewhat lengthy winning line that begins with 15...Kg7! (instead of Kasparov's 15...g3+). But the best way to win after 14.Kf2 is 14...Ba6! 15.Bd5 Nxh1+ 16.Qxh1 g3+ 17.Kf3 Qf6 18.Nc3 Rg8 19.Bc6 Qf5 and White is busted; for example: 20.Qd1 Qg4+ 21.Ke4 Qg6+ 22.Kf3 f5! 23.Bxf4 Qg4+ 24.Ke3 Bxf4#. The "best play" line is probably 14.Kf2 Ba6! 15.Nc3 Nxh1+ 16.Qxh1 g3+ 17.Ke1 Qxa8 18.Kd1 (if 18.d5 then 18...Qc8! 19.Bd2 Qc5! etc.) 18...Bb7 19.Bxf4 Bxf4 20.Qf1 Qb8 21.Ne2 Bh6 22.Qf6 Bg7 23.Qf1 Rg8 24.c3 Bh6 25.b3 Qd8 26.Qh1 Qf6 27.Kc2 Qf2 and Black's winning advantage is clear. |
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| Oct-14-08 |
| CharlesSullivan: Kasparov [in MGP-I, p.31] tries to refute Reti's suggested 15.Bc6 with 15...Qe7+ 16.Kf2 Ne4+
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17.Bxe4[??] g3+ 18.Kg1 gxh2+ "etc."
but 17.Kf1! should prompt Black to play 17...Ng3+ 18.Kf2 Ne4+ 19.Kf1 Ng3+ with a draw by repetition, since 17...g3 18.Rh1 Nf2 19.Qe2 Nxh1 20.Qxe7+ Kxe7 21.Nc3 leaves White with an extra pawn and the winning chances. |
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| Oct-14-08 |
| CharlesSullivan: <After Reti's 15.Bc6>, Black's winning line is 15...Qb6! (not Kasparov's 15...Qe7+). The main variation continues 16.Ba4 Qa6 17.Kf2 Qxa4 18.Na3 Bxa3 19.Bxf4 Ne4+ 20.Kg1 Bxb2 21.c3 Qc6 22.g3 Bxa1 23.Qxa1 Kg7 and <Black has a knight for a pawn and a clearly winning position.>
Other tries for White after 15.Bc6 Qb6! are (a) 16.Bd5 Kg7! (b) 16.Ba8 Kg7! and (c) 16.c4 Qxc6 -- all of which can be shown to win for Black. |
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| Oct-14-08 |
| CharlesSullivan: The most interesting try to save the game is <15.Bf3!!>
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Now 15...Qe7+ 16.Kf2 Ne4+ 17.Kf1! gxf3!? 18.gxf3 Ng3+ 19.Kf2 Qe6 20.Nc3 Qc4 21.Rg2 does not lead to a Black advantage, so the correct continuation is <15...gxf3! 16.gxf3 Rg8!! 17.Nc3 Qc8!!>
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At this point, I have investigated many tries for White, such as (a) 18.Rf2 Rg6! 19.Qd2 Bb4 (b) 18.a4 Qe6+ 19.Kf2 Qg6 and (c) 18.Rg2 Bh3 19.Rg1 Qe8+, all of which come up short. The long main variation is <18.h5 Qc6 19.Qd2> (going for a variation in which queens come off the board) <19...Qxf3 20.Qg2 Qg4 21.Bd2 f3 22.Qg1 Ne4! 23.Qxg4 Rxg4>
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White still has a material advantage (rook & pawn vs. bishop), but Black's attack rages; for example: <24.Bh6+ Ke8 25.Rh1 Nxc3 26.bxc3 Rg2 27.Rc1 Be6 28.Kd1 Bc4 29.Be3 f2 30.Bxf2 Rxf2 31.Rg1 Bf4 32.Rb1 Kf8>
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At this point you can see that White's position is dire, and after <33.Rb4 Bd5 34.Ke1 Rh2 35.Rf1 Bd2+ 36.Kd1 Bxc3 37.Ra4 a5 38.Ra3 Bxd4 39.Rf4 Bb6>
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Black has, at last, a clearly won position.
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| Feb-20-09 |
| dwavechess: 18/23 78%! for Anderssen with Rybka 3 at 3 min. per move |
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