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|May-04-06|| ||keypusher: Spielmann vs J Rejfir, 1934 (Note also the name of the variation as listed on the scoresheet).|
|May-04-06|| ||Gypsy: So, we can tentatively surmise that the true story of the game is more ordinary: Botvinnik found the improvement <8.Rc1>. And since Spielmann got previously into troubles as White in this position, he was rather eager to head into the complications on the Black side of things. When he ran into the 8.Rc1, there was nothing to save him.|
The lore of high intrigue, as related by Sloan, is gripping; but it seems a bit inflated by campfire re-telling.
A student of chess deception may still appreciate the artful way used by Botwinning to steer the game into the briar patch: The first moves went <1.c4 c6 2.e4 d5 3.exd5 d5 4.d5...> and so poor Rudolf never smelled a rat.
|Jun-29-06|| ||Benzol: This game is a good candidate for <Honza>'s collection 'Accidents in the opening'.|
|Sep-21-06|| ||percyblakeney: Spielmann was doing well in Moscow 1935, and with a win here he would have finished even with Botvinnik and Capablanca. Bent Larsen says that someone had recommended Spielmann the Qb6xb2 manoeuvre, and that he gladly demonstrated his secret weapon to Flohr on the train to Moscow. Flohr advised against it, but to no avail...|
|Jan-26-07|| ||Honza Cervenka: <Benzol: This game is a good candidate for <Honza>'s collection 'Accidents in the opening'.> Thanks. I have added it into my collection.|
|Jun-11-08|| ||Magic Castle: 12. Ra1 looks like traps the black queen but QxR 13. QxQ... and the knight forks and regain the Queen by Nc2+ and the joke is on white.|
|Sep-21-08|| ||just a kid: Indeed Black's queen likes poisoned pawns.|
|Mar-12-09|| ||WhiteRook48: dangerous to sweep down into enemy territory with one piece, especially the queen.|
|Aug-02-09|| ||Knight13: Yeah so play 6...e6 and then do all the ...Qb6 you want.|
|Aug-02-09|| ||WhiteRook48: 8...Nb4 just makes it worse for black|
|Aug-03-09|| ||Knight13: <WhiteRook48: 8...Nb4 just makes it worse for black> 8...Nd8 is not much better.|
|Aug-03-09|| ||WhiteRook48: the point behind 8...Nd8 is that now the black knight does not block the queen's retreat square after 12...Qa3 13 Rc3 which forces 13...Nc2+.
on the other hand, white now plays 9 Nb5!!|
|Jul-13-10|| ||GrahamClayton: 7...d4 8.e3 e5 is much better.|
|Dec-29-10|| ||hstevens129: 12...Nc2+
13.Qxc2 Qa3 avoids the trap as White's c-Rook can't come to a1, although Black is a piece behind. Worse for White is
13.Rxc2 Qxa4 avoids the trap
|Jul-26-11|| ||nimh: Valter Heuer, the official biographer of Keres, in his biography of Keres has written a quite different account of what actually had happened. Here's a translation from Estonian:|
<The Czech master Opocensky wrote: "For the first time in the history of chess one was able to see a collective creation, a collective work." Of the all compatriots, Botvinnik had progressed the farthest, one of the pioneers of the individual preparation. As we know, Spielmann lost to him in twelve moves. The explanation by the Austrian grandmaster is worth quoting: "When we were travelling from Warsawa in the direction of the border of Russia, a correspondent secretly told me that he had succeeded in refuting Botvinnik's favourite variation in the Caro-Cann Defence. The journalist persuaded me so persistently that I was as well as hypnotized. I wasn't amazed by why I was the lucky one to receive the valuable secret - simply for a bottle of wine. My joy was indescribable, when I right away in the first round was to play against Botvinnik. I already saw a bold "one" in the tournament table and made my moves quickly, not thinking at all. When I finally stared at the board, I saw to my biggest surprise that my queen had perished. It was embarrassing to resign now, I made a couple of moves more in agony. But soon a burst of deafening applause resounded which drove me home to the hotel through the mass of spectators.>
|Jul-26-11|| ||keypusher: <nimh: Valter Heuer, the official biographer of Keres, in his biography of Keres has written a quite different account of what actually had happened. Here's a translation from Estonian:>|
Sounds only slightly less ridiculous than Sloan's story. On the way to the tournament, a double agent shows Spielmann a variation he'd already lost to a year before?
Spielmann vs J Rejfir, 1934
|Jul-26-11|| ||nimh: But it's a direct quotation from Spielmann. Looks like we have three possible versions:|
1) Heuer himself made this up.
2) Heuer used an erroneous source, where the quotation was fabricated.
3) Spielmann actually has said or written this, but meant it as a joke.
Which one seems most likely?
|Jul-26-11|| ||keypusher: <nimh> You presumably have access to Heuer's article -- is the Spielmann quotation being filtered through Opocensky?|
Note that percyblakeney reports below that Spielmann was showing off the variation on the train to Moscow, and that Flohr tried to talk him out of using it. That seems plausible. But the notion that someone on the train showed him the variation as a secret in exchange for a bottle of wine? Maybe just a tale that got taller with each retelling.
|Jul-26-11|| ||nimh: <keypusher> Yes, Opocensky it was. I toptally forgot this nuance for a moment.|
He didn't participate, but was he accompanying Flohr there?
|Jul-26-11|| ||keypusher: <nimh> No idea. Be interesting to get to the bottom of this some day.|
|Sep-09-11|| ||Sequoia: <hstevens129: 12...Nc2+ Then 13.Qxc2 Qa3>|
14. Bb5+ and mate to follow.
|Jul-02-12|| ||King Death: < percyblakeney: Spielmann was doing well in Moscow 1935, and with a win here he would have finished even with Botvinnik and Capablanca...>|
This game was played in the first round, I'm not sure what you mean.
|Jul-02-12|| ||ughaibu: Finishing even with both Botvinnik and Capablanca, in this tournament, would've been a remarkable feat, a unicum even.|
|Jul-02-12|| ||ughaibu: Aha! I see.|
|Jul-24-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: Guess-the-Move Final Score:
Botvinnik vs Spielmann, 1935.
YOU ARE PLAYING THE ROLE OF BOTVINNIK.
Your score: 12 (par = 6)
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