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|Feb-07-03|| ||drukenknight: 9...Qb6 10 Be3 Ng4
back to you.
I been busypawntiff, actually didn't look at chess for about 2 weeks. Two whole freakin weeks! can you believe it?
Taking time off is important, dont ever forget that.
|Feb-07-03|| ||pawntificator: Yeah, I've had a little time off here and there...except for my gameknot.com games. Time stops for no man. But I haven't been posting as much on here. I been "lurking."|
9...Qb6 10 Be3 Ng4 loses the knight to the queen! But 10...Nxe4 or Bxe4 could be interesting.
|Feb-07-03|| ||drukenknight: ooops. Yeah just take w/ the N 10...Nxe4 |
|May-29-04|| ||tpstar: In the Sicilian Fischer-Sozin, after 6. Bc4 e6 White often retreats 7. Bb3 to avoid ... b5 with tempo, but also any fork tricks with ... Nxe4. Instead 7. Qe2 allows 7 ... b5 8. Bb3 Bb7 and the Pe4 is tempting but definitely risky for Black to swipe.|
tpstar0-kk_camb (Yahoo 5/27/04): 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cd 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bc4 e6 7. Qe2 (7. Bb3) b5 8. Bb3 Bb7 9. f3!? (9. 0-0) Be7 10. 0-0 0-0 11. Be3 Nbd7 12. Rad1 d5!? 13. ed ed 14. Nf5 Nc5 15. Nxd5! Nxd5 16. Bxd5 Qc7 (16 ... Bxd5 17. Rxd5 Qxd5?? 18. Nxe7+) 17. Bxb7 Nxb7 18. Kh1 Bf6 19. Bd4 Rfe8 20. Qf2 Bxd4 21. Qxd4 Re5 22. Qg4 g6 23. Rd7! Qc6 (23 ... Qxd7 24. Nh6+) 24. Nh6+ Kg7 25. Rxf7+ Kxh6 26. Qf4+ 1-0 (26 ... Rg5 27. h4 Qc5 28. hxg5+ Qxg5 29. Rxh7+!).
|Jan-03-05|| ||Alaric: can anyone tell me what happens if Black plays 8 ... b4 9. N-moves Nxe4, doesn't that win a pawn or is there a trap waiting for Black |
|Jan-03-05|| ||Chessical: <Alaric> See Fischer vs Tal, 1959, Black gets very good attacking chances for the pawn. |
|Jan-03-05|| ||WMD: According to Mihail Golubev
in his book, The Siclian Sozin:
'8.f4 Fischer played this at the beginning of his career, but he later cast doubt on this move when playing Black against Byrne (1967). Now 8.f4 is obsolete.'
R Byrne vs Fischer, 1967
After 8...b4 9.Na4 Nxe4 Golubev calls it unclear and gives sample lines as:
10.0-0 d5?! 11.f5!
10...Bb7 11.f5 and 11.Be3 are 'dangerous'.
10...Nf6!? 'might be worth investigating'.
10...g6 11.f5 gxf5 12.Nxf5 (Fischer vs Tal, 1959) 'and now 12...Bb7 or 12...d5 (Fischer)'.
|Jan-06-05|| ||Alaric: can't white win the pawn back or get some compensation for it? |
|Nov-27-05|| ||chessnewbie: can someone explain why black resigned? i'm a bit slow and i don't get it.|
|Nov-27-05|| ||you vs yourself: <chessnewbie> After 23...Qxe7 24.Qd5+ and white wins the rook on c6.|
|Nov-27-05|| ||alicefujimori: There is something about this line that people at this post seems to have missed, and I will point it out for interest sake.|
Daniel King, in his book on "Winning with the Najdorf", actually recommended Black to grab the e-pawn on move 9. Although he didn't give any analysis on the possible outcomes after the capture, the fact that 10 years after this game was played Fischer actually preferred 9.Re1! was enough proof to suggest that 9...Nxe4 might actually be a good move. (See Fischer-Rubinetti, 1970)
|Nov-27-05|| ||midknightblue: <WMD> actually Gobulev gives 9...Nxe4 a ?! and recommends 8...Bb7 instead. He also provides excellent analysis showing the problems with all of blacks options on move 10...
8. b4 9. Na4 Nxe4 10. Re1. Here black's choices of Nf6, Nc5, d5 and Bb7 are all bad.
The problem is that if these positions are good for white, then white must get to the position - but current theory seems to suggest that vs the scheveningen white should play the keres attack instead. Likewise, vs the Najdorf, the Bg5 lines may be preferable (although this one is more a matter of opinion i guess).|
|Jan-27-06|| ||Underworld: 9.f4 Nxe4 10.f5 would be my choosing.|
|Apr-13-07|| ||vonKrolock: <21.a1> Bronstein: "How come You thought of that move?"
Fischer: "Tal moves his Rooks back and forth, why can't I do the same?"|
|Mar-12-11|| ||plang: Decptively simple - I guess 12..Be7 ia an inaccuracy. Fischer makes these good knight versus bishop games look easy. 21 Ra1 is a nice move.|
My books on this line all automatically recommend 7 Bb3 but 7..Nxe4 is not a threat yet and a creative White player can avoid theory by delaying Bb3 (as far as I can tell).
|Feb-28-12|| ||wordfunph: Fischer - Gadia
click for larger view
"This is the kind of position I get in my dreams."
- Bobby Fischer
|Aug-07-12|| ||dchrist: Fischer's 9. f4?! scores very poorly in the game explorer. Fischer's 18. Rad1 / 21. R(d)a1 is also questionable (18. Nd5! better). Did Fischer just have this habit of looking for unusual variations (often later named for Fischer) when other moves would have been more sound?|
|Aug-07-12|| ||diceman: <dchrist: Fischer's 9. f4?! scores very poorly in the game explorer. Fischer's 18. Rad1 / 21. R(d)a1 is also questionable (18. Nd5! better).>|
Fischer also played the Kings Gambit, which drops a pawn.
Amazing you can go 6-0 in Candidates Matches and 11-0 in US Championships
with all these subpar moves.
|Aug-07-12|| ||Cemoblanca: It came a rook out of the blue! ;0)|
|Aug-07-12|| ||Cemoblanca: I would call this 1 "Operation Gadia"... ;0)|
|Apr-14-13|| ||ReggaeNight: Why doesn't white take with the queen at move 17?|
|Apr-14-13|| ||Benzol: <ReggaeNight> <Why doesn't white take with the queen at move 17?>|
<ReggaeNight> I'm sorry but I don't understand. White's Queen can only take the b-pawn but would in turn be taken by Black's a-pawn. I don't think you mean that do you?
|Apr-14-13|| ||ReggaeNight: Sorry I meant why doesn't BLACK recapture with the queen at move 17 insetad of the rook? Wouldn't it kind of prevent the white knight of going to D5 because then white looses a pawn?! TY FOR ANSWERING BTW.|
|Apr-14-13|| ||Strongest Force: Bobby must have thought it was x-mas morning. It's always nice to get free stuff.|
|Apr-14-13|| ||Benzol: I don't think the eventual placement of the Knight at d5 can be prevented. A possible continuation after 17...Qxc6 could be 18.Rf2 defending the second rank and still with the Knight threat. Black is unfortunate in that he has been left with a bad bishop.|
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