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Theodor Ghitescu vs Robert James Fischer
Leipzig ol (Men) qual-D (1960), Leipzig GDR, rd 1, Oct-17
Nimzo-Indian Defense: Ragozin Defense (E46)  ·  0-1
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Aug-29-16
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  beenthere240: Man that's a great move. Now I see why people say Fischer was the best. Carlsen would have rolled over in panic and Giri would have offered a draw.
Aug-29-16
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  patzer2: For our Monday puzzle solution, Fischer's 14...Bxh2+ initiates a discovered attack with check combination to win the unprotected Queen.

Instead of the blunder 14. dxc5??, which allows the decisive 14...Bxh2+ , the computers suggest challenging for the open file with 14. Rfe1 Rxe1+ 15. Rxe1 = to (0.36 @ 29 depth, Houdini 4x64).

Aug-29-16  YetAnotherAmateur: This took me surprisingly long to see, because I hadn't noticed that white had done something that boneheaded. I had started thinking about some sort of passive sac with Ng4 or something like that when the actual winning move jumped out.

14. ... Bxh2+ wins the queen, and probably the game.

Aug-29-16
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  PawnSac: < saturn2: Does not 11 Nxd4 win a pawn for white? Or was he afraid that black gets the diagonal for the bishop Bb7? >

well, yes, at least temporarily. But at a cost. White will end up behind in development with a slightly cramped position, while black will have open lines for the two bishops, active piece play, and his rooks can get to central files more quickly. Personally, i would not concede that to a powerful attacking player like Fischer. I would rather play 11.e3xd4 to open the diagonal for the Bc1

Aug-29-16  King Harvest: How about, "You silly Ghit!" for this game?

Not in Ghitescu's best games collection I'll wager.

Aug-29-16
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  PawnSac: < patzer2: Instead of the blunder 14. dxc5??, >

the previous 13.Qd3 was no crowd pleaser either.

< 14. Rfe1 Rxe1+ 15. Rxe1 = to (0.36 @ 29 depth, Houdini 4x64). >

or 13. Rfe1

Aug-29-16
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  PawnSac: < King Harvest: How about, "You silly Ghit!" for this game? >

or "A Ghitty shame" lol

Aug-29-16
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  kevin86: The bishop sacrifice nets the exposed queen.Monday is back!
Aug-29-16  BOSTER: < PB: Will he never learn ?>. As a matter of fact he did.
Aug-29-16  messachess: Good old Ghit. was a year away from IM status at the time. 26 years old. Bobby was 17 and beating everyone in sight. I'd be nervous too.
Aug-29-16  Sally Simpson: Hi Saturn & PawnSac.


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"Does not 11 Nxd4 win a pawn for white? Or was he afraid that black gets the diagonal for the bishop Bb7? "

Of course 11.Nxd4 has been played before. 4 moves later is was agreed a draw.

K Langeweg vs Sosonko, 1974

But you are both correct, Black can generate a lot of play for that pawn.

if you want a treat how about.


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11..Bxb7 instead. That also wins a pawns. Then click here...

Furman vs Lipnitsky, 1951

...and watch the two Bishops lead White a merry dance. As a tempter this is the final position.


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Aug-29-16  varishnakov: People don't even fall for this in my online blitz games.
Aug-29-16
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  gawain: For a short time I was looking for Black combinations starting with the sac of the queen after some move of the f6 knight. Nothing there, though. Then I spotted White's hanging queen.
Aug-29-16  MaczynskiPratten: Ah, Mondays back to normal after last week - "tweazy". Thanks <Sally Simpson> for the Furman-Lipnitsky game which I hadn't seen before - both a nice King hunt and possibly the most futile Knight tour ever.
Aug-29-16
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  morfishine: Even for a "Monday" they should not have submitted this gross blunder

*****

Aug-29-16
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  YouRang: Cg probably would not have used this game, except that it was Fischer.
Aug-30-16
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  HeMateMe: Ghit was an IM. they should have revoked it.
Aug-31-16  Sally Simpson: Hi Morf, YouRang, HeMateMe and others..

Have none of you ever played a blunder in your games.

Give the lad a break. He was all tensed up to play Fischer, suddenly it appears Fischer wants a rest day, he relaxes just for one move....and Fischer gets his rest day.

I've seen worse. Players castling into mate in one.

One of these was illegal. White had a Knight on e6, Black 0-0-0 (castling through check.) next move White played Qxc7 mate....

1-0

...and then he pointed out that the mate was illegal. (I know...checkmate ends the game.) and showed Black that 0-0-0 was not allowed, so they undid the mate, undid the 0-0-0 and carried on playing from there.

I'd love to report that White then lost the game but alas no. He eventually won it.

Aug-31-16
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  HeMateMe: <Have none of you ever played a blunder in your games.>

Generally, not a blunder that bad, in serious games. Also, I don't play chess for a living. It's a hobby.

Sep-01-16  Sally Simpson: A hobby...A hobby...that is something stamps collectors and jigsaw puzzlers do.

You have to live, eat and breath chess...what else is there?

Sep-01-16
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  HeMateMe: sorry, mate. There's football, birds, bicycling, and beer.

How's your uncle Ernie, these days?

Sep-01-16  Howard: Looks like White wasn't quite warmed up yet---this disaster took place in the very first round.
Sep-01-16  Sally Simpson: HI HeMateMe,

OK Football (as long as you support Chessterfield) and play Beer Chess.

Birds are too much trouble and none of the ones I know of know anything about opening theory.

bicycling..what's that? Is that when two people re-cycle things together.

Endgame Ernie. Ditched him from the blog, he was getting more fan mail than me and The Duck.

I was getting questions about endgames...me...questions about endgames...

Sep-02-16
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  AylerKupp: <Sally Simpson> Yeah, it's like me getting questions about how to write short posts.
Aug-14-17
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  sea7kenp: I found this game in the Notes for Game 30 in Mednis, "How to Beat Bobby Fisher". Game 30 was Gligoric vs Fischer, same tournament. Gligoric's 9th move was Nb5, but Mednis said Bb5 was stronger and gave it a "!". He also gives White's 12 Bg5 an "!", saying White has the advantage, but then continuing this game, giving White's 13 Qe3 "?!" and, of course 14th move "??". I can see Fischer, after White's 13th move: "His Queen's unprotected. I can get a Positional Advantage with 13 ... c5, since he has to deal with his Queen". But then, a Fairy God Mother gives him a quick win instead!
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