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| Nov-17-04 | | clocked: Byrne doesn't need to see all this because he wouldn't sac a piece with no compensation. |
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| Nov-17-04 | | drukenknight: 25 Qf5 |
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| Nov-17-04 | | clocked: Rxb2 (Qxf6 Qxf6 Rxf6 Ke7 Rf3 Rd2) |
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| Nov-19-04 | | drukenknight: CLocked: sorry for delay here, I got a new PC and my old notes are in that. This will be the first game I get back to, later today. Admittedly it looks bad but I will tyr to save the end game. either that or you explain to me how Byrne lost.. |
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| Dec-23-04 | | Backward Development: no, the point of h5! is to keep a piece off of h5, mainly the knight. the knight to h5 maneuver is standard when black has weakened d5. this maneuver hopes to eliminate the knight, after which a powerful knight sits on d5 unchallenged. |
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| Mar-24-06 | | AzaleaCastle: Hi all. What if 29 Qh8+ Kc7 ? I think there is still a game right? |
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May-06-06
 | | Hesam7: <chessblaster9: I have heard this game put this line out of business for white.> That is true, this game was one of the main reasons why 8. f4 declined in popularity. I think after: 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bc4 e6 7. Bb3 b5 8. f4 Bb7 9. f5 e5 
click for larger viewWhite is strategically lost. |
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| May-10-09 | | blacksburg: hehehe funny kibitzing |
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| Sep-16-09 | | dTal: <chessblaster9: I have heard this game put this line out of business for white and it had much to do with 13...h5. Does anyone know what the point of 13...h5 is?> you are right, 13.. h5 is the master stroke that won this game for Black. The point of White's strategy is to exchange both of Black's knights, one for his own on g3 with Nh5 at some point, and one for the black-squared B on g5. This leaves Black with a very bad black-squared B and not much counter-play. However with 13... h5!! the great Fischer forces 14. h4. How else can White save his e pawn? 14. Qd3 doesn't work; for example 14... b4. 15. Nd5 Nxd5 16. Bxd5 Bxd5 17. Bxe7 Qb6+ 18. Kh1 Bc4. After the forced 14. h4, white is strategically lost, as Fischer proves. |
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| Sep-16-09 | | dTal: I dont know about putting the line out of business though, instead of 13. 0-0 White could play 13. Nh5 and his position would be OK I think. Fischer showcased his amazing positional insight backed up by razor sharp tactics, and knew the exact moment that his opponent made a mistake. |
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| Nov-22-11 | | qqdos: <dTal> Daniel King's 1993 book Winning with the Najdorf analyses this game. His alternative to 13.0-0 is 13.Bxf6 Nxf6 14.Nh5 (but...Rxc3!). On 13...h5! he says: "A sensational move. Byrne must have been completely demoralised ... suddenly finding himself without a hope". In summarising: "I don't think it is an exaggeration to say that after 13...h5! Black has a winning position....As a consequence ... White players experimented with other attacking methods." What would Houdini say? - we need one of DrMal's exhaustive analyses! |
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Nov-22-11
 | | Marmot PFL: <On 13...h5! he says: "A sensational move. Byrne must have been completely demoralised ... suddenly finding himself without a hope". > Today that idea seems common enough, often used by Topalov and others, but well ahead of it's time when played. |
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| Nov-22-11 | | King Death: Byrne came up with a nice try in a bad position in 23.Rh3 (23...Nd3 24.Rh8+ Kd7 25.Ba4+), but Fischer brushed him aside with ease. |
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Jul-22-12
 | | Ghuzultyy: For some excellent annotations of this game take a look at Simple Chess by John Emms. It is the 3rd game in the book. |
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| Jul-22-12 | | RookFile: Simple chess? 13.... h5!! might be a lot of things, but it's not that. |
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| Jul-23-12 | | RookFile: <Hesam7: White is strategically lost.> He might have been later, but you showed the wrong diagram. White has a plan to put the bishop on g5, knight on h5, and kill things that control d5. He got into trouble when he castled kingside later, 13.0-0 was an error. Consider this game, for example:
R Cosulich vs Minic, 1970 |
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Aug-23-12
| | Hesam7: <RookFile: He might have been later, but you showed the wrong diagram. White has a plan to put the bishop on g5, knight on h5, and kill things that control d5. He got into trouble when he castled kingside later, 13.0-0 was an error. Consider this game, for example: R Cosulich vs Minic, 1970> White's plan is just too slow. Also White is lost in the game you link, after: 15. ... Nxe4! 16. Nxg7+ Kf8 
click for larger viewWhite does not have a proper defense. His best try ends up in a hopeless position: 17. f6 Bxf6 18. Nf5 (18. Nh5? Bh4+) 18. ... Rg8 19. Rf1 d5 20. Qh5 Rg6  
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Aug-23-12
 | | keypusher: <AzaleaCastle: Hi all. What if 29 Qh8+ Kc7 ? I think there is still a game right?> I am six years late, but no. After 29....Kc7 Black is threatening 30....Bg3+ 31.Ke2 Qf2+ 32.Kd3 (32.Kd1 Qe1#) e4+! 33.Kxe4 Qe2+ 34.Kd4 Be5#. White has no better answer than giving up his queen. |
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| Feb-06-13 | | RookFile: Hesam, black threw an exchange out the window before. Who says white is obligated to take that pawn on g7? |
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| Feb-06-13 | | LIFE Master AJ: Impressive game ... |
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Feb-08-13
| | Hesam7: <RookFile: Hesam, black threw an exchange out the window before. Who says white is obligated to take that pawn on g7?> Here is the position after 15...Ne4! in R Cosulich vs Minic, 1970: 
click for larger viewBeside 16 Ng7 what moves are left? 16 O-O? Qb6 and Black is winning; 16 Qg4? Bh4 is equally bad. The best seems to be 16 Qf3 Bg5 17 O-O O-O 18 Kh1 Qb6 
click for larger viewBlack' advantage is undisputable. Just in terms of material he already has a pawn for the exchange and sooner or later he will win the pawn on c3 as well ... |
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| Feb-08-13 | | RookFile: What happens if he wins two pawns for the exchange - white resigns? |
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Feb-08-13
 | | harrylime: I love this site!
There's a two year hiatus on this thread and then < AzaleaCastle > enters the fray ... And is summarily ignored lol
Cool game. |
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Feb-09-13
| | Hesam7: <RookFile: What happens if he wins two pawns for the exchange - white resigns?> Yes, unless you have some concrete analysis to keep him afloat ... |
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Feb-09-13
 | | perfidious: From <Hesam7>'s second diagram, not sure how much I like White's game after 19.Qg4 Bh6 (not, of course, 19....Nf2+ 20.Rxf2), or even 19....Kh8, avoiding some of White's little bag of tricks. The pawn at c3 is already consigned to perdition and the powerful dark-squared bishop makes progress difficult for the putative kingside attack. |
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