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|Aug-19-07|| ||soberknight: What on earth happened?|
|Aug-19-07|| ||birdplaya: That was an interesting game.|
|Aug-19-07|| ||CapablancaFan: <soberknight: What on earth happened?> Golombek had a perpetual. For example: 23.Kf1 Qb1+ 24.Kg2 Qg6+ 25.Kh3 Qh5+ 26.Kg2 Qg6+ etc.|
|Aug-19-07|| ||lopium: What if 19...Qxe5? Qxf7+, Ne7, I'm missing something.|
|Aug-19-07|| ||CapablancaFan: <lopium: What if 19...Qxe5? Qxf7+, Ne7, I'm missing something.> Because if 19...Qxe5 20. Qxf7+ Ne7.......21.O-O! and white's problems are solved. 19....Nxe5 was important so that the knight check on f3 was possible.|
|Aug-19-07|| ||wouldpusher: I think the simplification 22. ... ♕xh1 23. ♕xa7+ ♔e8 24. ♕xb6 ♕xh2, though not as flashy as a perpetual on your rook-down endgame, is also sufficient to draw. More complications may arise if White decides to play 24. ♕a4+, but with precise play Black can defend against the march of the h-pawn, and so can White against the b-pawn, still leading to a theoretically drawn ending.|
|Aug-19-07|| ||patzerboy: Ah, yes. The well-known position number 364,839,065,927 in the Universal Chess Database, reachable in 173,439,518 ways.|
My favorite way to get to it is the Nangdangian Gambit: 1.Nf6 h3 2.Rz6 U-lambda52, etc.
|Aug-19-07|| ||Aspirador: "Fit to be tied": sounds a little like "Hip to be square".|
|Aug-19-07|| ||Dilbertarian: The draw cannot be avoided. If 21. Ke2 Ng1+ ! 22. Kd3 Qxa1.|
|Aug-19-07|| ||paulgrow: Patzerboy, You forgot that it can also be acheived through the recursive Czechoslovakia Backstab Countergambit with the 14. Qx12 finesse. Slightly more awesome than then Nangdangian.|
|Aug-19-07|| ||kevin86: A rare game indeed! White captures both rooks but is unable to survive black's perpetual check-so is drawn.|
Could this game be classified as an "immortal draw"?
|Aug-19-07|| ||tatarch: I think there already is an "immortal draw" but I can't remember who played it-- I know it involves a queen sac and a long king hunt up the left side of the board. Help anyone?|
|Aug-19-07|| ||tatarch: Here it is-- aptly titled:
Hamppe vs Meitner, 1872
|Aug-19-07|| ||CapablancaFan: I know this is already well known game, but this can also be a canidate for, if not the immortal draw, at least the most creative draw! E Post vs Nimzowitsch, 1905|
|Aug-19-07|| ||brankat: <CapablancaFan> You have been a regular kibitzer and a Prem. member for a while. I wonder, why don't You open Your forum?|
|Aug-20-07|| ||CapablancaFan: <brankat: <CapablancaFan> You have been a regular kibitzer and a Prem. member for a while. I wonder, why don't You open Your forum?> Well mainly because I work full time and I have to tend to my family after that. I just simply don't have the time to adequately moderate it. My wife already says I spend too much time on chess. But she does let me have my time as long as it dosen't take away her time! LOL.|
|Aug-20-07|| ||brankat: <CapablancaFan> <But she does let me have my time as long as it dosen't take away her time! LOL.>|
Yes, just like in a well played game of chess, Balance is of critical importance ;-)
But, you are right. Running a forum in any kind of a useful and meaningful way, does take time and effort, otherwise there would not be much of a point in doing it at all.
Drop by in my forum sometime.
|Aug-20-07|| ||mcgrath999: cant wite still win with 23 kf1 Qc1+ 24 kg2 ..?|
|Aug-20-07|| ||Sredni Vashtar: <mcgrath999: cant wite still win with 23 kf1 Qc1+ 24 kg2 ..?>|
Yes, and even faster with 23.Kf1 Qe2+ 24. Kxe2, since Qe2+ is about the only move the black could make that is even more stupid than Qc1+.
FYI, the draw is achieved by the black keeping his Q on b1-h7.
|Aug-20-07|| ||mcgrath999: <Sredni Vashtar: <mcgrath999: cant wite still win with 23 kf1 Qc1+ 24 kg2 ..?>
Yes, and even faster with 23.Kf1 Qe2+ 24. Kxe2, since Qe2+ is about the only move the black could make that is even more stupid than Qc1+.|
FYI, the draw is achieved by the black keeping his Q on b1-h7.>
|Jul-07-08|| ||paul1959: <wouldpusher> After 22. ...Qxh1 23. Qxa7+ Ke8 White would play 24.Qb8+ Ke7 25 Qf4 and things are not clear. White King can have shelter on g2-h2 (Black queen will have to move to get the b6 pawn moving) but Black King is in the open. Golombek played the best move.|
|Sep-21-08|| ||GrahamClayton: <kevin86>A rare game indeed! White captures both rooks but is unable to survive black's perpetual check-so is drawn.|
This game features in the book "Take My Rooks" by Yasser Seirawan and Nikolay Minev (International Chess Enterprises, 1991), and is the only game of the 136 featured where the Two Rooks sacrifice is employed to draw, rather than win.
|Dec-17-17|| ||GilGandel: A game I first learned about 40-odd years ago. I read an essay by Golombek on it one time, but cannot remember where. Sheer genius by both players.|
|Feb-04-19|| ||N.O.F. NAJDORF: I remember that Golombek was in the habit of mentioning it in his column in the Observer Sunday supplement in the 1970s.|
Other masterpieces were compared by him with 'my game with Geller at Budapest, 1952'.
|Oct-11-19|| ||Cibator: <GilGandel: A game I first learned about 40-odd years ago. I read an essay by Golombek on it one time, but cannot remember where.>
Golombek chose this as his "Favourite Game" on the BBC radio programme "Chess", which ran from 1958-64. The talk he gave was later reprinted in "Chess Treasury Of The Air" (Penguin, 1966).|
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