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Andrew Soltis vs Dimitri Borisovich Gurevich
Lone Pine (1981), Lone Pine, CA USA, rd 3, Mar-31
Sicilian Defense: Velimirovic Attack (B89)  ·  1-0
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Mar-20-08
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  dzechiel: <blummenstuhl: Does 18.Bf6 work? I donīt see a defens line.>

I looked at that line long and hard last night as only saw:

18 Bf6 Qxe4 19 Qh6 Qg6 20 Bxe7 Re8 21 Bxd6 recovering the material.

Mar-20-08  YouRang: I missed it. I completely overlooked the unusual pin of the PAIR of black pawns against the unguarded black queen (black can move one pawn, but not both!).

I feel like I should have done better, so I must add it to my "should have got it" game collection. :-(

Mar-20-08
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  johnlspouge: <UdayanOwen>, the clarity of your chess analysis leaves me breathless. Thanks for your beautiful exposition.

Long-winded and egocentric can be wonderful ;>)

Mar-20-08  einuj: I think black would've secured, with accurate play, a winning game by 17.e5 instead of taking the knight immediately.
Mar-20-08  blummenstuhl: Thankīs dzechiel
Mar-20-08  UdayanOwen: Thanks John. It takes plenty of time to construct comprehensive written analyses, so I'm glad they mean something to somebody other than me.

But in any case I love the creative process of writing them, so its all good whether people love them or hate them or don't give a.....

I must note though, that upon checking my analysis by moving the pieces, I noticed that after my line:

<18.Qh6 cxb2++ 19.Kxb2 e5 20.Bxe5 f6 21.exf6 Rf7 22.Rxg7 Kf8>

I gave two ways for white to win. The "slightly longer and more entertaining" line has a flaw. It is still entertaining and completely winning, but takes more moves than I expected. I gave:

<23.Rg8+ Kxg8 24.Rg1+> Kh8 25.fxe7+ dxe5 26.Qf8+ Rxf8 27.exf8=R or Q#.

What I missed was instead of 24...Kh8, black can play <24...Bg4> first. The a-rook now controls the back rank and this makes a difference:

<25.Rxg4+ Kh8 26.fxe7+ dxe5>, and now 27.Qf8+ doesn't work because of the a-rook.

Of course, <27.Qxc6> should win farily comfortably (sarcastic code for saying black is DEAD). Not only is white a queen for rook up, but black cannot simultaneously save the a8 rook and prevent the e-pawn queening, and mate will quickly follow one way or another.

Mar-20-08
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  patzer2: For today's puzzle solution, Soltis decisively exploits the weakened castled position with 18. Qh6!!
Mar-20-08  ounos: I just saw Qh6 and skipped to the solution, but I appreciate the combination's length starting from the knight sacrifice, foreseeing the critical 6th horizontal pin of the d6 pawn.
Mar-20-08  CarlosO: What follows after 17... e5?
Mar-20-08  wals: No show on this one.
Mar-20-08  Wengsta123: There is no sense to me whatsoever on the forfeit. I wonder why there's So many more forfeits than checkmates.
Mar-20-08  aazqua: Wengsta - given that these are both strong GMs I suspect black didn't feel like playing down two bishops to a queen and a pawn. Try it sometime against a good player and see how far you get.

And yes, I'll say it again. Please put a rest to the painfully longwinded and egocentric exposition, analysis and loathsome flattery so that the rest of us can look for interesting snippits. No one cares about your penetrating analysis except for you. Maybe you two can get a chat room together and leave the rest of us be - or are you one person playing with himself?

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<UdayanOwen>, the clarity of your chess analysis leaves me breathless. Thanks for your beautiful exposition.

Long-winded and egocentric can be wonderful ;>)

Mar-20-08
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  dzechiel: <Wengsta123: There is no sense to me whatsoever on the forfeit. I wonder why there's So many more forfeits than checkmates.>

Basically it's a time saver. When the end is near, and you have no chances or cheapo potential, most players will resign so that they can do something more productive with their time.

Incidentally, the term "cheapo potential" (abbreviated to CP) was coined by Soltis in an article in Chess Life around 1971 or so. I remember a bunch of us in the Orange Chess Club reading the article about the World Junior in Puerto Rico (or something similar, it has been 37 years) and laughing our heads off.

Mar-20-08  JG27Pyth: TROLL WARNING...
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<No one cares about your penetrating analysis except for you. Maybe you two can get a chat room together and leave the rest of us be - or are you one person playing with himself?>

*DO NOT FEED THE TROLL*
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Udayan, John, etc.
Responding to this kind of bs only wastes your time and makes you a sucker. Really tick him off and Don't bite.

Mar-20-08  Doktorn: <aazqua: And yes, I'll say it again. Please put a rest to the painfully longwinded and egocentric exposition, analysis and loathsome flattery so that the rest of us can look for interesting snippits. No one cares about your penetrating analysis except for you. Maybe you two can get a chat room together and leave the rest of us be - or are you one person playing with himself?> I like the longwinded, penetrating analysis people put up here. I both get some glimpse of how chess works and how people think.

What kind of posts do you find more interesting?

Mar-20-08  MostlyAverageJoe: <JG27Pyth: TROLL WARNING>

Folks, if you go to the troll's profile, there is an useful button there, "ignore this user."

I've just made use of it. For the second time. And this time, I have no intention revoking that decision.

BTW, the responses the troll got from his recent submissions to POTD forum constitute over 10% of the total attention anyone ever paid to his posts.

Mar-20-08  UdayanOwen: <JG27Pyth> I appreciate your warning given my previous history of biting. However, I'll be cool this time, and I will be reporting <aazqua> to the moderators.

<aazqua>, I'll leave you with one fact, and that is that I would need more then two sets of hands to count the number of people who have expressed appreciation for my posts. So I think you are being selfish by demanding that I stop posting what I post. If I did that, I would be refraining from doing something that I and many others value, just to please one person - you. Isn't that egocentric?

In fact, I'll give you a definition of egocentricity - it is when people can't see the world through other people's eyes. When you say "no-one cares about your penetrating analysis except for you", you are clearly seeing the world through YOUR eyes only, and assuming that since this is your perception, then this is how things are for everybody. Yet you don't notice the number of others who feel differently.

It also makes little sense to call the posts egocentric, since whilst I do enjoy creating them, they also serve a purpose of helping other people....

Mar-20-08  MostlyAverageJoe: <UdayanOwen> I don't think that moderators will act in this case.

Just about everyone greatly appreciates your posts. Just search the kibitzing for your user name to get about 410 matches. Since you posted 260 times, this means that you got about 150 responses, 99% positive. This is a very excellent response rate. Pay attention to the positive ones ...

Mar-20-08  JG27Pyth: <Folks, if you go to the troll's profile, there is an useful button there, "ignore this user.">

Thanks <MAJ> ... the cone of silence has been lowered.

Mar-20-08  LivBlockade: <MostlyAverageJoe: Interesting game. I don't see any idea behind 16.cxb3 -- it takes away from the center and voluntarily pins the knight, inviting b4 and a loss of said knight -- even my kid wouldn't play that. 16.axb3 would have been much better.>

I'm really starting to think that the game score is incorrect and White did play 16. axb3. Then the next two moves seem much more plausible. This was Lone Pine - not a friendly 5-minute game. After 16. axb3 b4; 17. Qh5, White plans to meet 17...e5 with 18. Nd5 when if 18...exd4; 19. Nf6+ wins. So White has not really sacrificed a piece. On the other hand, with 16. cxb3 as the current score shows, we're expected to believe that White walked into a pin, Black missed two obvious chances for ...e5, and White went ahead with 17. Qh5 sacrificing a piece even though it's a complete bluff! Does anyone else think 16. axb3 was actually played?

Mar-20-08  MostlyAverageJoe: <dzechiel: <blummenstuhl: Does 18.Bf6 work? I donīt see a defens line.> I looked at that line long and hard last night as only saw:

18 Bf6 Qxe4 19 Qh6 Qg6 20 Bxe7 Re8 21 Bxd6 recovering the material.>

There is a better response here:

18. Bf6 cxb2 (grab the pawn while we can)

19. Kxb2 Re8 (protect the bishop and white's attack is not going anywhere)

Black should win, having extra bishop:


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Some care may be needed to defuse the K-side situation.

Mar-20-08  UnitedHotcake: Sometimes the "long winded and egocentric expositions..." do come off a little bit smug and self-indulgent. But it's possible I may just feel that way on days when I don't find the solution.

I will say though that <johnlspouge>'s gushing of praise onto <UdayanOwen> did make me roll my eyes.

Carry on.

Mar-20-08  MostlyAverageJoe: <LivBlockade: Does anyone else think 16. axb3 was actually played?>

Interesting idea. Were this the case, the magnitude of inaccuracies would be much smaller.

BTW, when I showed the game to my 950 ELO son, he wanted to play 16. axb3 right away, for all the good reasons. But he fell for the "grab the knight right away" trap just like Gurevich did ...

Feb-07-09  WhiteRook48: did Black not notice the pins?
Feb-17-18  RookFile: Of course he noticed them. He also noticed he was threatened with checkmate.
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