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|Jun-23-08|| ||kevin86: This one is very simple,but white must go on beyond winning the queen to gain full profit.|
17...♔xh8 18 ♘xg6+ ♔h7 (or ♔g8 19 ♘xe7+ and 20 ♘xc8) 19 ♕h5+ ♔g8 20 ♘xe7+ and 21 ♘xc8.
White then has a queen and two knights vs a rook and two knights.
black cannot escape by ♔f7 as 19 ♕h5+ g6 20 ♕h7# would be a stiff penalty
I even saw a combination for an "illegal mate"
17...♔xh8 18 ♘g6+ ♔h7 20 ♕h5+ ♔g8 27 ♕h8+ ♔f7 28 ♘h8# of course is illegal because it violates the law that two pieces cannot occupy the same square-lol
|Jun-23-08|| ||Marmot PFL: I see that Wade's peak rating was 2310, which would make him a rather weak IM.|
|Jun-23-08|| ||Peligroso Patzer: <Marmot PFL: I see that Wade's peak rating was 2310, which would make him a rather weak IM.>|
Wade was clearly not of the same class as Keres, but he did win a famous game against Korchnoi:
Wade vs Korchnoi, 1960
|Jun-23-08|| ||MiCrooks: After Ncxd5 if Black is accomodating enough to take the Knight, sure you have a nice position, but after Qg5 the best line for White is to play Ne7+ Qxe7 Rh8+ playing back into the original line only having traded a Knight for a pawn along the way. |
Sure you are still better, but clearly this line is inferior to just playing Rh8+ in the first place.
|Jun-23-08|| ||euripides: <Marmot> I imagine Bob Wade's rather low peak rating in this database reflects the date of rated games including here - he was born in about 1920 and it may be the earliest games with ratings attached come late in his career. Bob is still a strong player and one of the most widely respected people in British chess. My impression is that at his peak he was near-GM in days when there were fewer than a hundred GMs in the world. By the way, I thnk saw that he will be playing in this year's Staunton Memorial.|
If <grasser> is right, Black's 15th move is the mistake; it is not clear that he made any others.
|Jun-23-08|| ||Marmot PFL: <Peligroso Patzer:> Thanks for the Korchnoi link. Looked like white was happy with a draw, and got the whole point after the dubious weakening 28...h4. Nice breakthrough on the queenside though.|
|Jun-23-08|| ||234: Sunday puzzle <31. ?> Jun-22-08 I Bilek vs A Ornstein, 1976|
|Jun-23-08|| ||OhioChessFan: It is way out of line for the current Battle of the Brains to be discussed here.|
|Jun-23-08|| ||MaczynskiPratten: Wade also beat Benko in spectacular (and sound) fashion; Wade vs Benko, 1960. I'd suggest that his 2310 peak seeming low by modern standards is a result of grade inflation.|
|Jun-23-08|| ||Marmot PFL: < MaczynskiPratten> maybe, but on chessgames.com data he still lost over twice as many games as he won. He has quite a few games with strong players mainly because British chess after WWII was so weak, with not a single active GM.|
|Jun-23-08|| ||Operation Mindcrime: The Alekhine-Chatard is generally handled by refusing the h-pawn sacrifice (accepting it opens the h-file and invites precisely the sort of tactics in this game); I remember Euwe (in Chess Master vs. Chess Amateur, one of my favourite books) stating that 6...c5 was probably the best move for Black.|
Easy but classic two-mover here: ♖h8! either deflects the king to h8 (allowing ♘g6+, winning the queen) or forces a quick mate.
|Jun-23-08|| ||Octal: Why does black have to play 11. ... Kg8? Of course he has to respond to the threat of 12. Ng6+, but why not play 11. ... Ke8?|
|Jun-23-08|| ||BishopofBlunder: <kevin86: ...17...Kxh8 18 Ng6+ Kh7 20 Qh5+ Kg8 27 Qh8+ Kf7 28 Nh8# of course is illegal because it violates the law that two pieces cannot occupy the same square-lol>|
I've always thought that was a silly rule...
At first glance, it looks like 17.Ng6 may also win, or at least cramp black's game a bit. Can anyone post a refutation? I'm late for work and, really, just too lazy to do it.
|Jun-23-08|| ||TheaN: 1/1
Hm. Relatively it's a complex Monday position with MANY ideas for White, even with a piece down. Of course winning because of the royal fork and piece fork afterwards is:
The varation is deadly enough so Black should take.
I don't know. It loses both, but this seems less stressful, although going down very much anyway.
Threatening Qh5#, which can theoritically also be played on move 19 itself (with check followed by 20.Nxe7+). However, now Black also loses Bc8 defensively, and he might miss the mate threat. Anyway, it wins.
This, at least, runs away from the Queen.
And the Q<>R is assured.
|Jun-23-08|| ||johnlspouge: Monday (Very Easy): White to play and win.
Material: Down a B. The Black Kg8 is isolated, at the mercy of Nf4, Qf3, and Rh1, with only Qe7 actively defending.
Candidates (17.): Rh8+
17.Rh8+ (decoying with 17...Kxh8 or forcing the alternative 17...Kf7)
(1) 17...Kxh8 18.Ng6+ Kg8
[19...Kh7 19.Qh5+ Kg8 continues the same way]
19.Nxe7+ then 20.Nxc8
White has Q for R.
(2) 17...Kf7 18.Qh5+ g6 19.Qxg6#
Monday has become Tuesday. What happened to the Mondays I remember, when you just had to point your Q at the Black K?
|Jun-23-08|| ||euripides: This game got annotated in Chess Life or Review by Gligoric: |
Wade vs Uhlmann, 1968
|Jun-23-08|| ||OBIT: I have to say, Keres' attack seems overly optimistic. Looking at the suggested 15...Kg8, the best I can find for White is 16. Rh1, hoping to transpose to the game continuation. However, 16...Nf8! is tough to crack. If White continues 17. Qh5, then Black can play 17...f5. Black seems to have his position defended, and he still has an extra piece.
After 15...Kg8, what does Fritz give as the main line?|
|Jun-23-08|| ||Magic Castle: <obit> I cannot see the potential of 16. ...Nf8 as a defender. It looks immaterial since white aimed to attack directly at h8. The f pawn must be pushed to provide an escape for the King. But black has to reckon with the two Knights and the advanced e pawn. Mate or heavy loss of material is not hard to find. You do not need Fritz.|
|Jun-23-08|| ||Sneaky: <patzer2: <Sneaky> After 10...0-0 11. Bd3! in the line (B) 11...g6 12.Qh3 f5 [12...h5? 13.Nxh5 ] 13.Nxg6! hxg6, ... did you intend to record the continuation as 14. Qh8+ Kf7 15. Rh7+ ?> You got it, thanks. Typo police is appreciated in this instance. Long posts like that always seem to have some screwups, at least when I type them.|
|Jun-23-08|| ||keypusher: <Magic Castle: <obit> I cannot see the potential of 16. ...Nf8 as a defender. It looks immaterial since white aimed to attack directly at h8. The f pawn must be pushed to provide an escape for the King. But black has to reckon with the two Knights and the advanced e pawn. Mate or heavy loss of material is not hard to find. You do not need Fritz.>|
Well, I can't find it. Care to share?
|Dec-01-08|| ||Sem: 11. Qf3 - wow!|
|Dec-01-08|| ||whiteshark: Spielmann won two game with <10...g6> two in Stockholm 1919:|
Bogoljubov vs Spielmann, 1919
Reti vs Spielmann, 1919
I wonder why nobody played it thereafter.
|Dec-01-08|| ||AnalyzeThis: I know this isn't an exhaustive answer, but I think white puts the knight on f4, the bishop on d3, and then there is a tactical threat of Bxg6.|
Kasperski vs I Mazel, 1925
|Dec-02-08|| ||whiteshark: <AnalyseThis> Maybe 11...c5 as suggested from TheChessExpress in the Kasperski vs I Mazel game. It's attacking the center and allowing Bxg6.|
|Nov-06-17|| ||Espinacov10: 15...f5?? loses the game. 15...Kg8! 16.Rh1 Nf8 17.Qh5 f5 keeps equality.|
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