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|Mar-14-05|| ||Annie K.: This has a flavor reminiscent of Legal's Mate. Brilliant! =) |
|Mar-14-05|| ||soberknight: Why wait until 10...g4? Try 9...g4 10 Rxf4 Qh4 11 Bxf7+ Kd8 12 Kf1 Nc6. |
|Mar-14-05|| ||kevin86: Here is a rarity-both players attack in the first fifteen moves! Boy,it looked like black was a winner,with the open h-file.Too bad,he got greedy by going after the queen instead of the king. White's counter-attack was so strong that the queen was expendable-and a Legal variation was executed. |
|Mar-14-05|| ||hintza: <Annie K.> Yes, I see what you mean, Nd5#! I have always loved the real Legal's mate because I actually did it once against my father in one of our games! |
|Mar-14-05|| ||Runemaster: "Lansing With Tears in my Eyes" (Ultravox, c. 1983, I think). |
|Mar-14-05|| ||YouRang: I always love it when the minor pieces collaborate like that.|
Lesson: When you're opponent is offering a queen sacrifice, look twice!
|Mar-14-05|| ||EinZweiDrei: Also remarkable is that this occurred in a correspondence match. |
|Mar-14-05|| ||Annie K.: <hintza> not just Nd5#, but also Queen sac followed by Bxf7+ Ke7 (forced) and then Nd5#. :)|
Since the Rook is filling in for the other Knight, the obstructing presence of Black's own Knight on d7 is essential to the combination. Nd7 is relatively rare, so this probably won't come up as often as the real Legal's Mate, but it's still a neat combination to remember.
BTW, I get to play Legal's Mate and some of its variations pretty often in blitz, and it's always fun. LOL!
|Mar-14-05|| ||hintza: <Annie K.> Yes, of course the preceding part to Nd5# as well! :-) Always fun, of course! |
|Jan-02-07|| ||Calli: Re: <correspondence match> |
In fact, the game is neither correspondence or from 1985. It was published in November 1907 issue of Laskerís Chess Magazine. See CN 4792: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/...
|Jun-22-14|| ||GumboGambit: The <R A Hart> listed in <Calli> link from 1907 is obviously not the Ralph Hart who is active from NZ. Over the decades, there seem to be multiple Harts who preferred to play the KG - Middleton Countergambit:|
R A Hart
So it must be some sort of family affair?
|May-02-16|| ||esteger: I thought Hart took a break of 76 years before returning to the rigors of tournament chess.|
|May-02-16|| ||Benzol: The Ralph Hart who played this game is not the same one that Richard Taylor and I know. |
|May-02-16|| ||perfidious: <Paul> You sure about that?|
|May-02-16|| ||Benzol: <Alan> I'm pretty sure about it. Ralph is younger than both Richard and myself. He was playing in NZ junior events in the early 1980's. The above game according to the info supplied took place in 1907 so it must be someone else.|
|May-02-16|| ||Richard Taylor: Benzol - no it is Ralph - from Scotland originally. I played him a few times. Some fascinating struggles from memory. He is one of NZ's best but doesn't play so much these days...|
I thought you were commenting on the combination of the day, didn't even look up at the game....
Well this game here wasn't by Ralph Hart who we know, yes that is right. But he does feature in today or yesterdays nice combo against Wayne Power both of those we know...
|May-02-16|| ||perfidious: <Paul> I detest emoticons, so usually make a small note afterwards to denote my weak attempts at humour. |
Bad omission this time round.
|May-01-18|| ||al wazir: Nobody could overlook a two-move mate in a correspondence game, so black must have realized that he was lost after 13. Bxg3.|
|May-01-18|| ||jinkinson: It appears that the actual Black player here was not Ralph Hart but R A Hart (i.e. the one pointed out by <GumboGambit>): http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/...|
|May-01-18|| ||Once: This is one of those occasions when we don't know exactly how and when the game ended.|
It is possible that the game ended after 13...Nxd1 with White announcing mate in 2. We have seen other games where the announced moves are written down as if they had been played.
A more logical ending would have been for black to resign after 13. Bxg3 when he realised that 13...Nxd1 walks into the mate.
Or Black might have been gallant and allowed white to play the mate through to the end. That's rare today, but more common a century ago.
I suppose we don't even know if it was played by correspondence or not. If it was, I do hope that Black saved himself a stamp by not posting 14...Ke7.
|May-01-18|| ||PawnSac: < jinkinson: It appears that the actual Black player here was not Ralph Hart but R A Hart (i.e. the one pointed out by <GumboGambit>): http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... >|
i was just thinkin.. either this guy is a different Hart, or he was over 100 years old in 2014 lol
|May-01-18|| ||AylerKupp: <Once> Not only that, but if Black had played until the very end, he would have been assessed a delay of game penalty.|
|May-01-18|| ||JohnBoy: Iím w <soberknight >. 9...g4 is a better try than waiting until 10...g4, as 9...Nd7 takes d7 as an escape route from the black king. The best I can find is 9...g4 10.Bf7+ Kd7 11.Rg3 fg3 12.Qg4+ Kc6 and white looks awfully good w a fun game.|
|May-01-18|| ||Knight13: <Notes by Stockfish 8 v270317> <4... c6?>, <5. O-O?>, <5... Bg4?>, <6. h3?>, <6. h5?>, <7. hxg4?>, <10... Ngf6?>, <11... Ng4?>, <12. Bxf4?>, <12... Nf2?>. Ten mistakes in a fifteen-move game. Correspondence game.|
|Apr-26-19|| ||MissScarlett: <In fact, the game is neither correspondence or from 1985. It was published in November 1907 issue of Laskerís Chess Magazine. See C.N. 4792> and C.N. 4860, C.N. 4864, C.N. 7125, C.N. 7130.|
<LCM> is quiet on the matter, but I think it likely it was a correspondence game. The <BDE> of February 18th 1906, p.15, mentions a <J. F. Lansing, New Orleans, La.> as participating in an ongoing correspondence tournament, and Hart of Baton Rouge, La., was a regular postal player.
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