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Harry Nelson Pillsbury vs Siegbert Tarrasch
Hastings (1895)  ·  Queen's Gambit Declined: Orthodox Defense. Pillsbury Variation (D63)  ·  1-0
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Oct-31-11  kamalakanta: <DrMAL>

Hi!

I do not think that 40...gxf6 was the main mistake; by that time, Black is lost!

If 40...Nxf6 41.Ne5! Qc7 42.Ng6+ Kg8 43.Nxe7+ Qxe7 44.Kh2 followed by 45.Rfg1, and the Black position is shaky....for example. after 44.Kh2 Bf7 45.Rfg1 g6 46.fxg6 Bxg6 47.Rxg6! hxg6 48.Rxg6+ Kf7 49.Qh6 white has a crushing attack....49...Ke6 50.d5+ Ke5 51.Qg5+ Kd6 52.Rxf6+ Kc7 53.Rc6+! Kd7 54.Rc7+ and the Black Queen falls!

Nov-01-11  DrMAL: <kamalakanta> Thanx for good ideas but after 40...Nxf6 I do not think black was lost, not even after 41.Ne5! here is computer eval showing how best Q moves transpose (they also transpose within each line between Ng6+ and Nxb3).

Houdini_20_x64: 27/72 05:56 3,656,830,672

-0.52 41. ... Qc7 42.Ng6+ Kg8 43.Nxe7+ Qxe7 44.Nxb3 Rxb3

-0.52 41. ... Qb7 42.Nxb3 Rxb3 43.Ng6+ Kg8 44.Nxe7+ Qxe7

-0.52 41. ... Qd6 42.Ng6+ Kg8 43.Nxe7+ Qxe7 44.Nxb3 Rxb3


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From here, white is up R for N+P but black counterplay leads to likely draw (45.Kh1 Rb2 46.Rxb2 cxb2).

Nov-03-11  Everett: <SimonWebbsTiger: @<Mozart72> you might like to study <Rethinking the Chess Pieces> by Andrew Soltis (Batsford 2004).>

As i was catching up on this thread, I thought of the same book. Many fine examples of varying values of pieces. Of note was his assessment of the growing power of rooks as the game continued, yet how they are of little value buried in the corner. It is a simplification, Soltis has it make more legit sense.

Any material point system for is limiting anyway. The standard one isn't great, but we all know that nothing static can ever come close to capturing the essence of chess mathematically. <Mozart> why not look into how the best programs create value? That would be the best place to start and end this issue.

Feb-21-12  Rook e2: Pillsbury's Wikipedia sais this is a very famous game.. A bit exaggerated maybe
Feb-21-12  AlphaMale: You need a history lesson, dude:

<Feb-01-03
Premium Chessgames Member refutor: this is the introduction of the 'pillsbury attack' (Ne5 supported by f4, lines up the bishop on the b1-h7 diagonal and then brings up the queen and f1-rook to attack the black king) v. the orthodox queen's gambit declined and was revolutionary at the time and helped Pillsbury with the Hastings tournament.

Aug-07-03 Kenkaku: This game is considered one of the great contributions to QGD theory. In addition to what refutor mentioned, throughout this tournament Pillsbury popularized 4. Bg5, which had been largely disregarded up to this point.>

Feb-21-12  Rook e2: <AlphaMale: You need a history lesson, dude:> So it popuralized this opening but why is this game so special?
Feb-22-12  RookFile: The noteworthy thing was that white's entire queenside was blown apart, and it wasn't clear how to attack the king. If Pillsbury was anything less than the great player he was, finding one great move after another, black would have won this game.
Feb-22-12  Olavi: And of course this was round two with a complete outsider beating the seemingly invincible Tarrasch. Admittedly Pillsbury's first round loss to Chigorin was a tremendous fight.
Feb-22-12  RookFile: Wow, I didn't know that he was 0/1 going into this game. He might have been tempted to play it safe, make a draw, and get on the board. Pillsbury could have very easily lost this game with one slip.
Feb-22-12  Rook e2: Thanks for the replies Olavi and RookFile. I think it was an important game in Phillsbury's way to victory that tournament. But 'this very famous game?' Is i think still a bit exaggerated ;-)
Feb-22-12
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  whiteshark: <SimonWebbsTiger> Thanks for mentioning and commenting on these phantastic endgame books.

It is most appreciated!

Feb-22-12  LIFE Master AJ: Actually - historically - this is an extremely important game.

Prior to this game, ALL of the world's leading players were quite sure that White's QB belonged on the Q-side. (Back then, most of the world's top players hailed from Europe.)

Pillsbury, "The Pillsbury Attack," (4.Bg5) and many of the beautiful games that Harry Nelson Pillsbury played along the way ... showed that 4.Bg5 was an extremely (then NEW) good, proper and correct path for White to explore in the opening.

There have been several books written about Pillsbury, if you are curious, I would suggest reading them to learn more on this topic.

Feb-22-12  AlphaMale: 4.Bg5 is not the Pillsbury Attack.
Feb-22-12
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  keypusher: <Prior to this game, ALL of the world's leading players were quite sure that White's QB belonged on the Q-side.>

Steinitz approved of Bg5 and had played it himself as early as 1873. See comments from the Hastings tournament book gathered here.

Lasker vs Steinitz, 1894

Steinitz playing Bg5.

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...

Feb-22-12  RookFile: Moves 13-15 were characteristic of Pillsbury's attacking plan.
Feb-22-12  LIFE Master AJ: <keypusher> The general thought was that the White QB ... BELONGED on the Q-side ... any chess book of that period will verify this fact.
Feb-22-12
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  keypusher: <LIFE Master AJ: <keypusher> The general thought was that the White QB ... BELONGED on the Q-side ... any chess book of that period will verify this fact.>

Correct. But that isn't what you said. Instead, you claimed that <Prior to this game, ALL of the world's leading players were quite sure that White's QB belonged on the Q-side.>

You were wrong.

Feb-22-12  King Death: <Rook e2: ...But 'this very famous game?' Is i think still a bit exaggerated ;-)>

I agree with <Olavi> and <RookFile> on this one, this was a well known game when I was growing up as a player in the 1960s.

Feb-22-12  RookFile: I guess keypusher is technically correct. AJ's revised statement ( the general thought was ) is also correct. It's probably not worth the semantics.
Feb-22-12
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  keypusher: My fault too. AJ is what he is. I do not want to mess up the kibitzing for this wonderful game. cg, if you want to delete the whole exchange, fine with me.
Feb-22-12  LIFE Master AJ: That would be cool with me as well.
Feb-22-12
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  Phony Benoni: This is a great game on many counts. First, it is a struggle between two opposing plans pursued logically and ruthlessly, resulting in a thrilling conflict.

The game may have changed the course of Pillsbury's chess career. Before Hastings, he was a relative unknown in Europe. Sure, he'd had some mild successes in the States, but what great player had the U.S. produced outside of Morphy? Most of its representatives, like MacKenzie or Paulsen, were immigrants from Europe.

In the first round, Pillsbury had lost a difficult game to Chigorin. Had he lost this one as well, would he have gone on to success at Hastings? Or would his confidence have been sapped?

Instead, he went toe-to-toe with one of the top five players in the world, and beat him unflinchingly. That had to open a few eyes, especially when he kept doing it round after round.

So what about the opening, specifically <4.Bg5>? As pointed out, it had been played before, as you can see from this Opening Explorer list:

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...

Sixty-one appearances in our incomplete database, including three times each in the world championship matches of 1886 and 1894. Steinitz seemed to be getting fond of it in the 1890s. However, the demerits of the move were well known. Here's what Isidor Gunsberg had to say about it in the tournament book:

<"No good results from this early sortie of the bishop. The attack, or, perhaps better speaking, would-be attack, differs from similar play in the French defence, inasmuch as White has not P to K5 at his command. Generally speaking, both the first and second player in this opening require their Queen's Bishop on the Queen's side.">

(One of the highlights of my chess career was finding a copy of the tournament book in the University of Michigan Graduate Library with a pencilled comment next to the note: <"Totally wrong! This game established 4.B-Kt5 as White's best move! Gunsberg is an idiot!!"> I imagine that writer is posting on the Internet at this very moment. Such creative anachronism never dies.)

Less colorful was C.E. Ranken's comment in the 1895 <British Chess Magazine>, p. 384:

<"The early sortie of the the QB to B4 or Kt5 has now become quite fashionable in this opening, but not infrequently it leaves the Q's side rather weak.">

This is, I feel, closer to the truth, and note that it's exactly what goes on in the game. The Opening Explorer offers some insight as to what came next. Pillsbury played <4.Bg5> several more times at Hastings, and Lasker, Janowski, and Tarrasch (!) also gave it a whirl. By 1896, it's in use by a wide range of players in several different tournaments. It had become fashionable.

We all know the legends of Greasy Grey-Haired Grandmasters who have burned the Midnight Oil in the never-ending quest for the Holy Grail, a <TN> next to one of their moves. More often than not, I have the feeling that an innovation is nothing more than a player looking at a position and saying, "Oh, what the heck! This looks interesting."

While submitting games from the US Opens in the 1950s, I checked each one against the Opening Explorer to avoid duplicates. I was constantly amazed how relatively unknown players would find a move that wouldn't be introduced into grandmaster play for another 40 or 50 years. I shouldn't have been. In all probability, they didn't know the book move and just played something that looked logical and didn't dump material.

Feb-22-12  LIFE Master AJ: <Phony Benoni> Fantastic post.
Aug-22-12  pers0n: did Tarrasch seriously miss that checkmate in a long game?
Dec-11-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: A fascinating struggle in all its vicissitudes. The analysis performed by <DrMAL> with his silicon assistant-plus that of Kasparov and <Fritz> in OMGP-has uncovered some points of interest beyond those which were already analysed in bygone days.
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