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|Aug-22-06|| ||echo unlucky: Spent ages looking for a way the sac might work...|
|Aug-22-06|| ||thorndeux: <chessgames.com> Great to have a spoiler from time to time and I don't think it is a 'joke' at all. For my taste they could even come a little more often, so that we can't be quite as sure what we ought to look for. It makes for a highter quality puzzle overall.|
Also, whether White wins when it's 'White to play' does not necessarily depend on the puzzle being a spoiler or not. We might as well be challenged to find a solution that the player in question missed.
I don't think 12...♗f5 deserves any exclamation marks. Rather 10.♗xh7+ deserves a question mark or two. I think, even 11...♔g6 might work, although it is, of course, a bad choice, given that 11...♔g8 is possible.
|Aug-22-06|| ||Octavia: I thought it must have been a very young Susan to get into such a position from which she'd lose. I didn't try to figure out if she could save herself after accepting the Greek gift.|
|Aug-22-06|| ||Minty: This is the second Bxh7+?? type spoiler I've seen here, so it wasn't that hard to spot. It just makes me wonder; does chessgames.com have something against the greek gift?|
|Aug-22-06|| ||EmperorAtahualpa: <does chessgames.com have something against the greek gift?>|
<Minty> Greek gift? What's that?
|Aug-22-06|| ||Wade Keller: OK fine with all the spoiler stuff. But why did white resign?|
|Aug-22-06|| ||banjo: this week is horrible:
yesterday i won with white,but it was
black to move.
today i couldn't find out how the sac
on h7 could work.so i looked at the
solution and - yes,i learned something:i learned how dumb i am :-)
|Aug-22-06|| ||avidfan: The Greek gift refers to the trick wooden Trojan horse of mythology containing soldiers who opened the gates of Troy for invasion after a long siege.|
|Aug-22-06|| ||gah: If you say 'White to play', that usually implies a move that leads to a win (in a strong position) or a draw (in a weak one). I can't find such a move here. What did you have in mind?|
|Aug-22-06|| ||WarmasterKron: I've seen (and fallen for) a similar 'spoiler' puzzle here in much the same vein not so long ago.|
Nevertheless, I rushed blindly into again, remembering yesterday's puzzle and finding a phantom smothered mate.
Perhaps I'll challenge An Englishman to a concrete skull competetion.
|Aug-22-06|| ||homersheineken: Man that's horrible. And a great lesson. I noticed lately that i've been trying alot of unsound sacrafices and this just shows me how silly it is to not think it all hte way through.|
|Aug-22-06|| ||Wilson H. L.: Ok, you got me. I "found" 10. Bxh7 and supposed that after ...Kxh7 11. Ng5+ black was lost. That's a lesson for me.
Never... suppose... again...|
|Aug-22-06|| ||NakoSonorense: I solved this puzzled because I didn't solve it.|
|Aug-22-06|| ||YouRang: Well, I guess that since I couldn't find a winning tactic for White, I can consider this 'solved' (although I didn't guess that it was a "spoiler"; I just figured I was blind).|
I too like spoilers occasionally -- they force you to carefully consider your opponent's defensive options.
|Aug-22-06|| ||kevin86: I guess I was correct in that BxP+ (boo!) KxB N-N5+ (double boo!!) loses!|
Another case of chessgames.com using their reverse psychology on us! lol
|Aug-22-06|| ||Illogic: <Wade Keller> Down a piece with no compensation|
|Aug-22-06|| ||Ashram64: greek's gift wouldn't work when the bishop or a knight can cover the f7 square in time....|
Does white seriously believes a GM will fall for such trick. Stupid on his part.
|Aug-22-06|| ||cade: Z.Polgar was not a GM at 13yrs old|
|Aug-22-06|| ||dzechiel: I think I got this one! The puzzle said, "White to move", so I naturally looked at the bishop sac on h7, but the more I looked the more I was convinced that it didn't work (and surely wasn't winning).|
Then I looked at the players, and I thought, "Hmmm..., a Polgar as black? I wonder who wins this game?"
That was about the time I considered that if the bishop sac had been allowed by black, then it was a trap (too blatant for black not to have noticed). So white's correct move had to be something OTHER than the sac on h7!
|Aug-22-06|| ||greensfield: Found the bishop sac straight away, but could not find the winning line. No wonder, I was batting for the wrong side! Sneaky puzzle.|
|Aug-22-06|| ||EmperorAtahualpa: <The Greek gift refers to the trick wooden Trojan horse of mythology containing soldiers who opened the gates of Troy for invasion after a long siege.>|
<avidfan> Yes, I know that. But still, I guess I must be misreading <Minty>'s post. What does a Greek gift have to do with this puzzle?
|Aug-22-06|| ||Minty: <EmperorAtahualpa: ...What does a Greek gift have to do with this puzzle?>|
'Greek Gift' is the classic sacrifice of a bishop on h7, with the Ng5+/Qh5 follow up. I think it's called the Greek Gift because the earliest recorded instance was played by Greco.
|Aug-22-06|| ||EXIDE: This is the first puzzle with this theme that I have come across.|
|Aug-22-06|| ||LivBlockade: Even if Black plays the 'normal' 12...♖e8? instead of 12...♗f5!, I don't see anything better for White than a quick draw by repetition starting with 13. ♕xf7+ followed by by 14. ♕h5+, etc. Is this what White was hoping for - a draw against Polgar?|
|Sep-03-06|| ||patzer2: White goes on automatic pilot in playing the flawed demolition combination 10. Bxh7+??, failing to see the defensive move 12...Bf5! spoils his plan and wins for Black.|
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