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|Jun-29-12|| ||paulalbert: Actually got this one. Saw Ke1 as defense against mate after Qe3 and saw Qg1ch was right, not Qf2ch, but wasn't sure that there wasn't some more conclusive variation to picking off all the white kingside pawns. Also saw the very nice variation with N fork, 40... Qxd1ch if white recaptures R on d3 with Q rather than pawn.
Satisfying to be able to work out some of these more difficult puzzles if I take the time!|
|Jun-29-12|| ||Patriot: It didn't take long to see <37...Qe3>, threatening mate in one. 38.Rxe3 Rxd1+ 39.Kg2 Rg1#.|
38.Ke1 Qg1+ 39.Kd2 Rxd3+ 40.exd3 Qxh2+ (40.Qxd3 Qxd1+ 41.Kxd1 Nf2+ 42.Kc2 Nxd3 ) and 41...Qxg3
|Jun-29-12|| ||doubledrooks: <Pawn and Two>: Thanks for the tournament recap.|
|Jun-29-12|| ||sevenseaman: <SimonWebbsTiger> <This is the tournament where Fischer was refused a visa for Cuba by the USA State Dept. and was thus forced to play all his games via cable at the Marshall Chess Club in New York>|
Interesting! I have heard of this visa episode before too. I have been wondering how did the Tournament Director enforce the classical time controls which some times come down to a critical few seconds. I am sure even in those days, it could not have been a free-for-all.
|Jun-29-12|| ||M.Hassan: <LTJ>: Have a good holiday|
|Jun-29-12|| ||beenthere240: I chose 38...Qf2+ instead of Qg1+. Then after 39. Kd2 Rxd3 40. Qxd3 Q xh2 However the text is much better, since 40. Qxd3 is impossible ...Qxd1+ and Nf2 check wins the exchange.|
|Jun-29-12|| ||chrisowen: Utmost rook dismantle after e3 he dessicate nails too knighth3 as |
having covered queen ok i almost got this as far as tepid 39...rxd3+
and concluded black was sufficiently in driver seat as h2 will drop
or the queen sac giving an exchange up bishop for rook fate in
Smyslovs hand to king curious queen g1 pick up h3 o should under ear
threes pocket enough to win.
|Jun-29-12|| ||chrisowen: Thin greens for Zerquera do ha round wind lethal compost queen |
undulate rook in d3 Eleazar a thrust top cat rook queen cream free
37...Qe3 38.Ke1 Qg1+ 39.Kd2 Rxd3+ bubbling under the surface in
chase the queen it look in a beautiful played endgame thy thirst has
been quenched dagger in each again dawn rook beak queen in e3 and
for Smyslov entertain box in so to ke1 my orb in g1+ hint rook jump
in d3 queen titan other in cute d3 gain or glory it ok in h2 stint
in good call cheer i ogle f2 effect in cop o you tink 5 net in the
queen is her majesty jaded 40.Qxd3 fancy it dead uber in dig often?
|Jun-29-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: <M.Hassan> Thank you kindly! :)|
<All> This is my last note until Wednesday, July 4th! See you then!
|Jun-29-12|| ||Petrosianic: <LoveThatJoker> <This post has no content, and neither will the ones I start writing on July 4, so until then you'll just have to look at nothing at all, and pretend it's a post from me, which shouldn't be too hard, really.>|
|Jun-29-12|| ||King Death: <Petrosianic> The <Joker's> posts haven't had any content from where I'm sitting for awhile now, there were just too many word games when they weren't filled with hot air.|
|Jun-29-12|| ||King Death: <sevenseaman> The effect of Fischer playing his games by telex was that a normal 5 hour playing session became about 7 instead. Even though he was young and strong that had to take a lot out of him and it's no wonder that he struggled in some of his games. I think Levy wrote that if he'd been in Havana that he'd have won by the same type margin that he had in Stockholm. That seems like a big maybe but who knows?|
|Jun-29-12|| ||Ratt Boy: <King Death: <sevenseaman> The effect of Fischer playing his games by telex was that a normal 5 hour playing session became about 7 instead.>|
I remember reading that he played Alekhine's Defense, quite unusual for him, in one game. Apparently, the first move by White had incorrectly been transmitted to him as 1.d4; when the second move came through as 2.e5, the arbiter offered to contact Havana and allow Fischer to take back his 1...Nf6. He responded, "No; I'll play this." And the result was a draw.
Sorry; I can't find the game at the moment.
|Jun-29-12|| ||keypusher: <Ratt Boy>
Here's the game. I don't believe the story, but it is a fact that Fischer had never played Alekhine's Defense before and didn't play it again until 1970.
V Ciocaltea vs Fischer, 1965
|Jun-29-12|| ||keypusher: <Ratt Boy> As you can see, paulalbert has a very interesting post on the question on the game page.|
|Jun-29-12|| ||bachbeet: I got the first, key move of the Q to e3. After that, this game could go all sorts of ways so I didn't see all the game moves. I'll give myself major points in this one and it is one of the very few difficult ones I can say that about.|
|Jun-29-12|| ||Ratt Boy: <keypusher> Thanks much for the link and for pointing to paulalbert's recollection. (I spose I should look at the actual <game> now, having read the comments.)|
|Jun-29-12|| ||FSR: <sevenseaman: <SimonWebbsTiger> <This is the tournament where Fischer was refused a visa for Cuba by the USA State Dept. and was thus forced to play all his games via cable at the Marshall Chess Club in New York>|
Interesting! I have heard of this visa episode before too. I have been wondering how did the Tournament Director enforce the classical time controls which some times come down to a critical few seconds. I am sure even in those days, it could not have been a free-for-all.>
The standard time control in those days was 40 moves in 2 1/2 hours, leisurely compared to what you see today. Fischer was very fast, so I greatly doubt that he was in time trouble in any of his games. But in any event, there was a tournament director in New York who would have dealt with any issues with Fischer's clock. The TD in Havana would have dealt with any time trouble his opponents were experiencing. Fischer's games took a long time because of the transmission delay, which put Fischer at a disadvantage. Every game he played took three hours or something longer than a face-to-face game would have taken.
|Jun-29-12|| ||sevenseaman: <King Death>Thanks for some interesting insights and clarifications. Your suggestion that had Fischer played in Havana the result might have been different is intriguing.|
Actually this is the one possibility that has been bugging me. I do feel Fischer was a shade above the field even if I am not absolutely certain of his form at that point of time(close second is suggestive enough).
Though I am not at all suggesting any lack of virtuoso content, my reason for these positive thoughts favoring Fischer is mainly that Fischer's chess, (most of the time) was 'Table Presence' chess.
This was so even when one goes back to his games as a 14 year old. When he swept Spassky away like a leaf in the wind, this factor was predominant and very noticeable. The man was hubris personified. (Remember he was deemed a non-challenge by the Russian chess ambiance and an upstart by most of the non-Russian aficionados of the game).
So the denial of visa on political considerations may really have interfered for the worse with the history of the mind game.
|Jun-29-12|| ||sevenseaman: <FSR> Thanks. Yes, I could speculate about the technical part but my not so obvious imputation was mainly that communicated to <King Death> above.|
Yes I remember those leisurely time controls (2 1/2 hours/40 moves). I have only a smattering of the game's history but whatever little, it never fails to fascinate me.
|Jun-29-12|| ||Everett: <This was so even when one goes back to his games as a 14 year old. When he swept Spassky away like a leaf in the wind>|
Spassky was under tremendous pressure from all sides, had "helpers" forced upon him, and put Fischer under lots of pressure in the 2nd half of the match. So, his one-move blunders and poor play wasnt all about Fischer, and even so, the score was not exactly indicative of the fighting chess.
|Jun-30-12|| ||King Death: <sevenseaman> Just so we understand each other what I mentioned in re the length of Fischer's games wasn't something that I came up with, I think David Levy mentioned that one too. Whatever happened, Fischer had a good result and this game (among others) is worth looking at (Fischer vs Smyslov, 1965). If you cover the names of the players you'd swear that Smyslov was White!|
|Jun-30-12|| ||SimonWebbsTiger: @<King Death, FSR, Sevenseaman>|
the clock times for each move are beside the game scores in the old Batsford book of Fischer's complete games (eds. Wade and O'Connell)
Fischer used an hour less in his game versus Smyslov, had to play his game versus Ivkov on the adjournment day because Hurricane Betsy had disrupted Telex, whilst Jimenez and Fischer used three hours each in their game which actually saw Bobby in big trouble, but "Jim" offered a draw in a good position.
|Jul-01-12|| ||Howard: Regarding FSR's inquiry regarding Fischer's being monitored during the games (since he was playing from a private room at the Manhatten Chess Club).....Fischer actually insisted that there be SEVERAL different TD's monitoring him throughout the event. That is, for each game he would have a different TD present---it wouldn't be the same guy throughout the event. Fischer felt that if the same TD was present for each and every game, then some of the other players would perhaps suspect collusion between Fischer and that TD. Thus, he insisted on a different TD for each game. But I don't know how many TD's that ended up coming down to.|
|Aug-16-12|| ||Cemoblanca: I guess the Knight moves made Smysy dizzy! :D Great game!|
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