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| Jan-01-09 |
| WhiteRook48: it's listed as a 35 move game in game collections ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha hahah ahah ahah aha haha ok this humor is not getting anywhere |
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| Jan-11-09 |
| WhiteRook48: Steinitz had to play these checks- he was about to be mated himself! |
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| Jan-24-09 |
| WhiteRook48: he'd just lost to Lasker |
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Jan-24-09
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| Marmot PFL: <‘Bardeleben here retired and lost the game on the time limit. Subsequently he explained to his opponent that his action was meant as a protest against applauding a victor. ’> That's nothing. You should have heard Walter Browne's outburst to the crowd in Montreal after they applauded Leonid Shamkovich (for beating Browne). It had to be censored for the local papers. |
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| Feb-03-09 |
| WhiteRook48: funny how Steinitz plays the Greco gambit |
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Feb-03-09
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| sleepyirv: <WhiteRook48> What do you mean? |
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| Feb-04-09 |
| WhiteRook48: what is weird is that Greco actually has a gambit named after him. Maybe Steinitz liked Greco's games and stuff and wanted to honor him in this game. |
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| Feb-04-09 |
| WhiteRook48: and I had not noticed the Greco Gambit before in this game |
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Apr-02-09
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| hansviktor: In fact the game ended 25.Rxh7+ upon which von Bardeleben left in anger and Steinitz had to sit waiting for v. B's time to run out. See Edward Winner's detailed comments to C.N. 3114 in Unsolved Chess Mysteries, on ChessBase.com Generally, one must admire Steinitz genius producing a lot of masterpieces throughout his long careeer against the top players of his time. In short he was a lot ahead of his time... |
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| Apr-02-09 |
| Lutwidge: <hansviktor: In fact the game ended 25.Rxh7+ upon which von Bardeleben left in anger and Steinitz had to sit waiting for v. B's time to run out. See Edward Winner's detailed comments to C.N. 3114 in Unsolved Chess Mysteries> What Winter in C.N 3114 concludes about Bardeleben's behavior sounds a trifle less damning to me than your above summation. To wit:
"In short, von Bardeleben left the hall without resigning and allowed his time to run out because of the disturbance caused by spectators applauding winners of games, and he informed Steinitz personally of this. The above-mentioned tournament book confirms the remark by Pollock that von Bardeleben’s grievance was acted upon promptly, for regarding the next round of play the book reported (page 171): ‘On this day also the Committee, finding that applause, even if slight, was liable to be misunderstood by our foreign competitors, and in any case was annoying to the players, put up a notice asking visitors to refrain, and the directors of play and stewards had strict instructions to enforce the notice.’" Shrug. :)
Cheers,
- L. |
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| May-24-09 |
| cracknik: I don't see how this can be called Steinitz' immortal. He thematically keeps the king from castling and finds a winning attack, Big Deal! I have done this many times and in blitz. Now Kasparov vs. Topolov, there's an immortal game. |
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May-24-09
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| Phony Benoni: I don't see how you can call Kasparov vs Topalov, 1999 an immortal game. All Kasparov did was play 1.e4, get a lousy looking position with his pieces scattered all over the board, sacrifice a rook or so to stir up complications, and construct a mating net when his opponent couldn't find a defense over the board. I do that all the time. Well, maybe not the last part. |
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May-24-09
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| keypusher: <Phony Benoni> Nice post! Cg.com has picked up some really strong blitz players lately, it seems. |
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May-25-09
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| blacksburg: this is a nice game, but if i had to pick a <steinitz immortal>, i'd go with this one - Steinitz vs Chigorin, 1892 |
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| May-25-09 |
| gus inn: A nice game , but somehow overrated.
But it should also be taking into consideration that we are quite "spoiled" nowadays.Every day there is a game or more that beats this one.But now is 2009
and back then ,in 1895, it was a true masterpiece. |
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May-25-09
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| Phony Benoni: Of course this is an immortal game. Maybe it's not as "tecnically" correct as GM games today, but immortality means so much more than just maximizing Rybka-assigned plusses and minuses. <cracknik> brought up the very valid point that Steiniz's combination is built on a very simple principle: keeping Black's king in the center and exploiting its presence there. This game will be enjoyed forever because it illustrates that principle in such a clear-cut and understandable way. There's a lesson that anybody can use in their own play. Plus, the final combination is exciting, aesthetic, and humorous. You can't do better than that. The sight of White's rook blithely dancing as his whole position is hanging gives the game a special appeal that overshadows other, perhaps "better" games. Now, what can you learn from Kasparov vs Topalov, 1999, outside of the fact that Kasparov is god? You can't play that game without a special power of imagination that only Kasparov has, and that the rest of us can admire but never achieve. Now, don't get me wrong. It's also an "immoratal" game. If Irving Chernev suddenly showed up in my living room and asked to see one game from the last 30 years, it's probably the one I would show him. But it would never have been played without games like this one illustrating basic ideas and firing the imagination. |
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May-25-09
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| keypusher: Another nice post, <phony benoni>. Also, to speak up for the benighted denizens of 1895, they were impressed by: -- After 22...Kf8, and for several moves that followed, every one of White's pieces is hanging, including his king, because of the threat of ...Rxc1#. So everything had to work for Steinitz. -- the final combination is 15 moves long, and it is absolutely sound. Combinations of that length are uncommon even today. How many have you had, <cracknik>? |
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Jul-21-09
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| Eisenheim: sam - if 24 ...Kf8 then 25 Nxh7+ and we are into the ruinous material line. If 25...Kxg7, 26 Qxd7+, and white gathers both the black rooks. |
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| Jul-22-09 |
| Sam K: In reply to <Eisenheim>: You are right! If 24... Kf8 25. Nxh7+ and then Black would start to lose lots of material ("ruinous material line") after Kxg7. Or, if 24...Kh8 25. Rxh7+ Kg8 26. Rg7+ Kf8 would now be met by 27. Nh7+ and if 27... Kxg7 (similarly) 28. Qxd7+ with again the "ruinous material" loss line (probably with the loss of a rook by Black after exchanging rooks on the c-file). |
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| Oct-01-09 |
| WhiteRook48: black cannot take the rook because then he will lose his queen, but white cannot take the queen or else he will get back-rank mated |
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| Oct-25-09 |
| Champ Chess Player: It's sad that Von Bardeleben didn't keep playing. He actually told Steinitz that he left the stove on at home. Steinitz excused him, but he never came back! |
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| Oct-25-09 |
| Champ Chess Player: When Steinitz explained his plan to the crowd outside after the game they carried him out on their hands. This is one of the best combinations of all time!!! |
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| Oct-28-09 |
| Qb6: Please correct: von Bardeleben DIDN'T resign after 24. g7+. He resigned after 24. ... h8 25. xh7+. See the Wikipedia article on the Hastings 1895 tournament. |
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Oct-28-09
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| vonKrolock: He resigned? Something of new... I thought that he <walked away> without resigning |
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| Oct-31-09 |
| Qb6: True...in most chess books that mention this game, they write 24. g7+ h8 25. xh7+! 1-0 and then explain the whole issue. |
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