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|Mar-04-07|| ||Caissanist: It seems to me that, were you to have a child with a strong interest in chess, then you would have not only a right but an obligation to do so. Chess history has seen quite a few von Bardelebens.|
|Mar-04-07|| ||waddayaplay: <Biography>
He didn't die in 1934, but in 1924. This happened through suicide in Berlin. The reason was that he had lost all his wealth because in the German economical inflation. Prior to that, von Bardleben had lived well off a substantial inheritance.
"His life and death were the basis for that of the main character in the novel The Defense by Vladimir Nabokov", says Wikipedia. At least the death was an inspiration for Nabokov, he was living in Berlin at the time of Bardeleben's suicide.
|Feb-23-08|| ||MichAdams: <He was originally a student of law, but gave it up in order to become a professional chess player.>|
Gave up law as a profession, but not his studies. He actually gave up competitive chess for four years to complete his law degree.
<He played matches against future world champions Emanuel Lasker (1890)...>
My information says 1889.
|May-16-08|| ||Knight13: Chessmetrics Player Profile: Curt von Bardeleben
Best World Rank: #4 (2 different months between the December 1888 rating list and the January 1889 rating list )
Highest Rating: 2710 on the March 1897 rating list, #7 in world, age 36y0m
Best Individual Performance: 2722 in Teichmann-von Bardeleben Match (Berlin), 1895, scoring 6/10 (60%) vs 2700-rated opposition
|May-16-08|| ||brankat: I think You should see a doctor.|
|Aug-01-08|| ||myschkin: <>
Der Selbstmordversion widersprachen allerdings Mieses und Kagan in Nachrufen in Sonderheft No. 2 von Kagans Neuesten Schachnachrichten 1924. „Höchstwahrscheinlich hat er, der an hochgradiger Arterienverkalkung litt, einen leichten Schwindelanfall oder Blutandrang nach dem Kopf bekommen und ist, um frische Luft zu schöpfen an das mit einer niedrigen Brüstung versehene offene Fenster getreten, wobei er das Uebergewicht [sic!] verlor und hinunterstürzte.“ (Mieses, a.a.O., S. 55 f.)
|Jul-05-09|| ||Blunderdome: Those of you who have shared biographical information -- what are your sources? Has anyone written a biography of this fellow? Aside from their similar methods of suicide, is there any connection between CVB and Nabokov's Luzhin -- or is it only Wikipedia that has it in such dogmatic terms?|
|Dec-26-09|| ||AnalyzeThis: I guess this guy jumped out of a window. Too bad.|
|Mar-04-10|| ||Chessical: If I understand <Myschkin's> post, Kagan believed that it was misfortune rather than suicide that ended von Bardeleben's life. |
"In all probability suffering from severe arteriosclerosis, he has had a slight dizzy spell or a rush of blood to the head, and in seeking some fresh air by opening a low silled window he fell out"
|Mar-04-10|| ||cannedpawn: Edward Lasker, in his book"Chess Secrets I learned from the Masters" mentions a few incidents about Von Bardeleben.|
|Jul-02-10|| ||Dredge Rivers: Don't kill yourself, Curt. You're not worth it! :)|
|Mar-04-12|| ||Penguincw: R.I.P. Curt von Bardeleben.|
|Aug-23-12|| ||Karpova: Curt Von Bardeleben beat Oscar Tenner by the score of 5.5-4.5 in Berlin. It's not clear whether it took place in 1909 or 1910 (the latter seems more likely).|
From page 212 of the 1910 'Wiener Schachzeitung'
|Mar-04-13|| ||FSR: Crazy Curt. According to Chessmetrics, he was ranked as high as #4 in the world. http://www.chessmetrics.com/cm/CM2/... But he's famous today for stalking out of his game against Steinitz at Hastings 1895 (Steinitz's last great game) and defenestrating himself to death. He was the inspiration for Nabokov's novel <The Defense>. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curt_v...|
|Mar-04-13|| ||Abdel Irada: <defenestrating himself to death>|
That sounds rather an awkward way to go, as if he'd been unsuccessful in his first attempt and had to go on repeating it until he died.
|Mar-04-13|| ||FSR: <Abdel Irada> AFAIK, he succeeded on his first try.|
|Mar-04-13|| ||Abdel Irada: One would hope so.|
|Mar-04-13|| ||JimNorCal: <waddayaplay> "Prior to that, von Bardleben had lived well off a substantial inheritance."|
Ed Lasker's book "Chess Secrets" gives a conflicting portrait. He says that when von Bardeleben had any money at all, you would see him sipping good wine. But that implies he sometimes was not in funds. Also, Lasker heard rumors (he does not confirm or deny them) that vB would marry then quickly divorce ladies for sums of cash. This was because the ladies wanted to have an aristocratic surname ("von").
Perhaps at a later time, vB came into an inheritance--I'm just posting what's in the Chess Secrets book, not disputing what you say (of which I know nothing).
|Mar-04-13|| ||JimNorCal: Winter quotes a section from the Ed Lasker book.
Scroll down to item 5999.
From pages 20-21 of Chess Secrets I Learned from the Masters by Edward Lasker (New York, 1951), in the section on Curt von Bardeleben:
‘He always wore a black cut-away suit of dubious vintage. Apparently he could never spare enough money to buy a new suit, although I learned one day that at fairly regular intervals he received comparatively large sums – from one to several thousand marks – through the simple expedient of marrying, and shortly after divorcing, some lady who craved the distinction of his noble name and was willing to pay for it. Unfortunately, when he received his reward, it was usually far exceeded by the amount of the debts he had accumulated since his last divorce. Evil tongues had it that the number of the ladies involved in these brief marital interludes had grown so alarmingly that they could easily have made up a Sultan’s harem.’
|Mar-04-13|| ||waustad: Ah yes, "defenestration." As usual in English the high falutin' term is latinate, unlike the Norse "window."|
|Mar-04-13|| ||Caissanist: Of course the reason for Winter's posting of the story is because he is looking for "independent corroboration". There are a <lot> of stories in Chess Secrets for which there is no independent corroboration--Winter should do a page just of those.|
|Mar-04-13|| ||Phony Benoni: So if I trade in my Microsoft operating system for Apple, is that defenestration?|
|Mar-04-13|| ||waustad: <phony>No, but for me it was a good idea. Now that I'm retired Windoze might work, but their interaction with the UNIX environment in which I worked was horrible. I confess that when I use Linux I'm just as irritated as I am using the WinDOS products, when dealing with word processing and such. They seem to be into keeping up with the most irritating features. I'm also often angry with Apple, but nowhere near as much as the other operating systems I've used. That said, they do charge more for hardware and they do orphan one way too quickly.|
|Mar-04-13|| ||waustad: <PB>BTW, It was a good joke!|
|Mar-04-13|| ||Abdel Irada: <waustad>: Interesting. I'd assumed "window" would be of Saxon origin, but you're right: It's from the Old Norse "vindauga" (/vindr/ [wind] + /auga/ [eye]).|
Thank you for the etymology lesson. :-)
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