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|Dec-26-09|| ||AnalyzeThis: I guess this guy jumped out of a window. Too bad.|
|Mar-04-10|| ||Chessical: If I understand <Myschkin's> post, Kagan believed that it was misfortune rather than suicide that ended von Bardeleben's life. |
"In all probability suffering from severe arteriosclerosis, he has had a slight dizzy spell or a rush of blood to the head, and in seeking some fresh air by opening a low silled window he fell out"
|Mar-04-10|| ||cannedpawn: Edward Lasker, in his book"Chess Secrets I learned from the Masters" mentions a few incidents about Von Bardeleben.|
|Jul-02-10|| ||Dredge Rivers: Don't kill yourself, Curt. You're not worth it! :)|
|Mar-04-12|| ||Penguincw: R.I.P. Curt von Bardeleben.|
|Aug-23-12|| ||Karpova: Curt Von Bardeleben beat Oscar Tenner by the score of 5.5-4.5 in Berlin. It's not clear whether it took place in 1909 or 1910 (the latter seems more likely).|
From page 212 of the 1910 'Wiener Schachzeitung'
|Mar-04-13|| ||FSR: Crazy Curt. According to Chessmetrics, he was ranked as high as #4 in the world. http://www.chessmetrics.com/cm/CM2/... But he's famous today for stalking out of his game against Steinitz at Hastings 1895 (Steinitz's last great game) and defenestrating himself to death. He was the inspiration for Nabokov's novel <The Defense>. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curt_v...|
|Mar-04-13|| ||Abdel Irada: <defenestrating himself to death>|
That sounds rather an awkward way to go, as if he'd been unsuccessful in his first attempt and had to go on repeating it until he died.
|Mar-04-13|| ||FSR: <Abdel Irada> AFAIK, he succeeded on his first try.|
|Mar-04-13|| ||Abdel Irada: One would hope so.|
|Mar-04-13|| ||JimNorCal: <waddayaplay> "Prior to that, von Bardleben had lived well off a substantial inheritance."|
Ed Lasker's book "Chess Secrets" gives a conflicting portrait. He says that when von Bardeleben had any money at all, you would see him sipping good wine. But that implies he sometimes was not in funds. Also, Lasker heard rumors (he does not confirm or deny them) that vB would marry then quickly divorce ladies for sums of cash. This was because the ladies wanted to have an aristocratic surname ("von").
Perhaps at a later time, vB came into an inheritance--I'm just posting what's in the Chess Secrets book, not disputing what you say (of which I know nothing).
|Mar-04-13|| ||JimNorCal: Winter quotes a section from the Ed Lasker book.
Scroll down to item 5999.
From pages 20-21 of Chess Secrets I Learned from the Masters by Edward Lasker (New York, 1951), in the section on Curt von Bardeleben:
‘He always wore a black cut-away suit of dubious vintage. Apparently he could never spare enough money to buy a new suit, although I learned one day that at fairly regular intervals he received comparatively large sums – from one to several thousand marks – through the simple expedient of marrying, and shortly after divorcing, some lady who craved the distinction of his noble name and was willing to pay for it. Unfortunately, when he received his reward, it was usually far exceeded by the amount of the debts he had accumulated since his last divorce. Evil tongues had it that the number of the ladies involved in these brief marital interludes had grown so alarmingly that they could easily have made up a Sultan’s harem.’
|Mar-04-13|| ||waustad: Ah yes, "defenestration." As usual in English the high falutin' term is latinate, unlike the Norse "window."|
|Mar-04-13|| ||Caissanist: Of course the reason for Winter's posting of the story is because he is looking for "independent corroboration". There are a <lot> of stories in Chess Secrets for which there is no independent corroboration--Winter should do a page just of those.|
|Mar-04-13|| ||Phony Benoni: So if I trade in my Microsoft operating system for Apple, is that defenestration?|
|Mar-04-13|| ||waustad: <phony>No, but for me it was a good idea. Now that I'm retired Windoze might work, but their interaction with the UNIX environment in which I worked was horrible. I confess that when I use Linux I'm just as irritated as I am using the WinDOS products, when dealing with word processing and such. They seem to be into keeping up with the most irritating features. I'm also often angry with Apple, but nowhere near as much as the other operating systems I've used. That said, they do charge more for hardware and they do orphan one way too quickly.|
|Mar-04-13|| ||waustad: <PB>BTW, It was a good joke!|
|Mar-04-13|| ||Abdel Irada: <waustad>: Interesting. I'd assumed "window" would be of Saxon origin, but you're right: It's from the Old Norse "vindauga" (/vindr/ [wind] + /auga/ [eye]).|
Thank you for the etymology lesson. :-)
|Jan-31-16|| ||TheFocus: Rest in peace, Curt von Bardeleben!!|
|Jan-31-16|| ||john barleycorn: <TheFocus> are you sure that he has not left the venue?|
|Mar-04-16|| ||steinitzfan: I think we all fear to -- like von Bardeleben -- achieve immortality for a game that we lost. However, he won games from the best. And he must have been pretty smart to know he was lost in that Steinitz Immortal game.|
|Mar-04-16|| ||Sally Simpson: Hi steinitzfan,
Would you really mind losing to a wonderful combination that you know is going to make the 'play and win' combo books.
Yes losing is always bitter but if the opponent excelled themselves by playing brilliantly just to beat you then there is no reason to live in fear.
I'd rather lose such a way than have a totally won game and blow it by blundering. I've lost on both sides of this situation, the lose by blundering is far worse. You cannot forget them. They jerk you out of your sleep that night.
|Mar-04-16|| ||keypusher: <Sally Simpson: Hi steinitzfan,
Would you really mind losing to a wonderful combination that you know is going to make the 'play and win' combo books.>|
On that point, Kieseritzsky had a great deal to do with immortalizing the Immortal Game.
<A man of "livid complexion, with melancholic and afflicted appearance," he was nevertheless a cultured chess writer, as his brief period of Editorship of "La Regence" shows, and it is to his lasting credit that he (the loser) saved the Immortal Game for posterity by publishing it in the July 1851 number.>
Lionel Adalbert Bagration Felix Kieseritsky
|Mar-04-16|| ||dark.horse: The film https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_L... was based on Nabokov's book The Defense, based on the life of von Bardeleben.|
|Mar-05-16|| ||Sally Simpson: ...and Dark Horse is a film based on the life of Maori speed-chess coach and player Genesis Potini.|
Here is a trailor of the film.
Not to be confused...as my family were when selecting my 2015 Christmas present....with Dark Horse the film all about a horse called Dream Alliance.
Both films are not too bad, enjoyed them both.
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