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Feb-02-04
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| AdrianP: <sleepkid> I very much agree re Luzhin being a 'composite' and I also saw a lot of Rubinstein in Luzhin (the big heavy head etc.). I've always been puzzled about the significance of not revealing Luzhin's name and patronymic until the very end. Normally this sort of Nabokov trick is intended to be significant. I can see one point: to give the novel a ring structure (i.e. we are told that Luzhin ceased to be called by his first name just before he is sent off to school = death of childhood = fall from grace etc) but I cannot see any significance in the *name itself*. I am also uneasy with your coinages: homicide=man-killing; suicide=self-killing; autohomicide would make no sense. Fenestricide (together with any compounds thereof) is the killing of a window rather than killing by means of a window or killing by passage through a window. Even worse, auto- is a greek prefix whereas fenestrae and occido are latin words. It's just not cricket to combine the two (although not unheard of: e.g. television and lexicographazifficator). Much better, but perhaps, less tongue-tripping-offy would be 'terminal defenestration' or 'fatal defenestration' or in Bardeleben's and Luzhin's case 'terminal suidefenestration'. I'll be posting an invoice for my consultancy services to my local sleepkid in due course. |
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Feb-02-04
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| AdrianP: ... to continue my previous post and correct myself, I've realised that 'terminal suidefenestration' may not capture the entire shade of meaning intended - had Luzhin been under the mistaken belief that he was in a saloon of the Wild West when he took the decision to depart by unconventional means (whereas in fact, as we all know he was in a 5th floor appartment) that would have been an act of "terminal suidefenestration" but without the intention which I believe <sleepkid> wanted to convey by "autodefenestricide". Can anyone offer any improvements. Btw, apologies to any relations of Herr von Bardeleben who might stumble accross this page and get the impression that his tragic demise is being made light of. |
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| Feb-02-04 |
| ughaibu: suidefenestratonecropathy |
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Feb-02-04
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| AdrianP: <ughaibu> Not bad. I imagine you intend "the suffering of death by [intentionally] removing oneself via a window". However, <nekros> is a corpse not death (e.g. necromancy; necropolis). Necropathy is a recognised medical term meaning "a tendency to tissue death or gangrene". I imagine that Kurt's nearest and dearest would have been fairly chuffed if that was the limited extent of his injuries. Perhaps, 'suidefenestratothanatopathy'...? |
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| Feb-02-04 |
| sleepkid: AdrianP: As a lexicographazifficator I appreciate the valid points you bring up regarding the roots of the newly coined words "defenestricide" and "autodefenestricide", however, you must realize that often the root words can form a composite that doesn't neccesarily agree with the original meaning.
For example television. Neither tele nor vision connect to give us the meaning "evil electronic light emitting box that stupidifies and opiates the masses before sucking out their brains entirely and convincing them that the BAFTAs aren't rigged, and that Leeds United games are worth watching." I stand by my original definitions of defenestricide and autodefenestricide, because they invoke the idea of defenestrate, and they're fun to say. (Much more fun to say than suidefenestratothanatopathy, which is just a tongue twister by another name.) I, sleepkid, the lexicographizifficator, have spoken. (though I will gladly hire you on as a consultant for future endeavors. By the way, you owe me £312 and 6p for your multiple uses of the word 'the', which I had previously copyrighted, in your posts.) |
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| Feb-02-04 |
| WMD: Game 111: Gravity 1-0 Von Bardeleben |
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Feb-02-04
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| Calli: My source is Pollock. Its the only known contemporary account of the end of game. You can read about here: http://www.chesscafe.com/text/cnarc...
Look for Chess Note 3114. Its PDF format. |
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| Feb-02-04 |
| TrueFiendish: Benjamin Lau, you didn't offend me; my tongue is firmly in my cheek, as always. I admire the amount of work you put into this site. Cheers! |
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| Aug-02-04 |
| nikolaas: <ughaibu: suidefenestratonecropathy > Are you trying to give the longet word or so? :-) |
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| Feb-25-05 |
| samvega: <AdrianP> <Fenestricide ... is the killing of a window rather than killing by means of a window or killing by passage through a window ... Much better, but perhaps, less tongue-tripping-offy would be 'terminal defenestration' or 'fatal defenestration' or in Bardeleben's and Luzhin's case 'terminal suidefenestration'.> One hates to cavil, but if "fenestricide" is the killing of a window rather than killing by means of a window, then it surely follows by analogy that "defenestration" is simply window removal, rather than egress via a window. "Autodefenestration" would then be the removal of windows from one's person, and "terminal autodefenestration" would be the fatal consequence of such deprivation. "Defenestricide" is presumably the resurrection of a previously terminated window. |
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Feb-25-05
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| euripides: 'Defenestration' is well established as removal from or through rather than of a window. It is sometimes thought to have been responsible for the thirty year's war. However, the logic of the etymology is not entirely clear. I think that perhaps the 'de' is not a negative but the 'down/from' sense found in 'derivation' and 'deduction'. But then there is the mysterious link between this and the etymology of 'Bardeleben'. If the window had had bars on, then he would not have been able to jump out of it. So it is possible we should interpret 'Bardeleben' as an English-French-German hybrid meaning 'bar of life', designed to remind members of a family with a partiular genetic quirk that they should not stand near excessively inviting sheets of glass. |
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| Feb-25-05 |
| samvega: I changed my mind. "Autodefenestration" is obviously do-it-yourself window removal, and "terminal autodefenestration" is what happens when you fall off the ladder. |
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Feb-25-05
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| Gypsy: 1st Prague Defenestration, 1415. (Beginning of Husit Rebellion.) 2nd Prague Defenestration, 1618. (Beginning of 30-Year Wars.) 3rd Prague Defenestration, 1948. (Murder of Jan Masaryk and beginnings of Communist rule over Czechoslovakia.) |
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Mar-25-05
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| Honza Cervenka: A little correction. The 1st Prague Defenestration occurred on the 30th of July, 1419. Then a crowd of Hussites, which paraded into Prague "New Town", forced its way into the council chamber in the New Town's Town Hall (when some stones were thrown on the parading crowd from upper town hall's windows) and threw seven counsillors out of the windows into the street where they were finished off by furious people. This incident was a culmination of growing tension in Prague when the king Vaclav IV (Wenceslaus) tried to supress the Hussite heresy by appointing only anti-Hussite hardliners into town council of Prague New Town and these new counsillors issued severe punitive regulations against Hussites. Vaclav IV died on a heart attack shortly after learning about the defenestration. The defenestration was a real beginning of Hussite War. |
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Oct-27-05
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| keypusher: <His famous loss to Steinitz at Hastings 1895 has already been mentioned, but von Bardeleben was actually leading this tournament with 6 wins and 3 draws before meeting with the ex-champ. Something must have gone to his heart after this, as von Bardeleben failed to win another game for the rest of the event.> Actually he won a couple at the end, this blowout
Gunsberg vs Von Bardeleben, 1895
...as well as a long win beginning 1 e4 g6 in the very last round that doesn't seem to be in the database. He needed that win to finish among the prizewinners, and he got it. He was a fine player. |
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| Oct-28-05 |
| capanegra: <keypusher> You are right. In the last round he won against Marco (I submitted that game already). Bardeleben's performance during Hastings 1895: Round 1: Burn (1)
Round 2: Albin (1/2)
Round 3: Bird (1/2)
Round 4: Lasker (1)
Round 5: Vergani (1)
Round 6: Mason (1)
Round 7: Mieses (1)
Round 8: Schlechter (1/2)
Round 9: Pollock (1)
Round 10: Steinitz (0)
Round 11: Blackburne (0)
Round 12: Janowski (1/2)
Round 13: Walbrodt (0)
Round 14: Chigorin (0)
Round 15: Tarrasch (1/2)
Round 16: Tinsley (0)
Round 17: Pillsbury (0)
Round 18: Schiffers (1/2)
Round 19: Gunsberg (1)
Round 20: Teichmann (1/2)
Round 21: Marco (1)
TOTAL: 11.5 / 21 |
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| Oct-26-06 |
| DCP23: <"Defenestricide" is presumably the resurrection of a previously terminated window.> You should sell this word to Microsoft. |
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| Mar-04-07 |
| chenturini: The life of greatest chessplayers have ligths and shadows. Nobody remembered his own birth and nobody knows his last time. We should admire the games, the art and combinations of these titans, but don't have the right to criticize his life. |
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Mar-04-07
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| Caissanist: It seems to me that, were you to have a child with a strong interest in chess, then you would have not only a right but an obligation to do so. Chess history has seen quite a few von Bardelebens. |
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Mar-04-07
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| waddayaplay: <Biography>
He didn't die in 1934, but in 1924. This happened through suicide in Berlin. The reason was that he had lost all his wealth because in the German economical inflation. Prior to that, von Bardleben had lived well off a substantial inheritance. "His life and death were the basis for that of the main character in the novel The Defense by Vladimir Nabokov", says Wikipedia. At least the death was an inspiration for Nabokov, he was living in Berlin at the time of Bardeleben's suicide. |
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| Feb-23-08 |
| MichAdams: <He was originally a student of law, but gave it up in order to become a professional chess player.> Gave up law as a profession, but not his studies. He actually gave up competitive chess for four years to complete his law degree. <He played matches against future world champions Emanuel Lasker (1890)...> My information says 1889. |
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May-16-08
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| Knight13: Chessmetrics Player Profile: Curt von Bardeleben
Born: 1861-Mar
Died: 1924-Jan
Best World Rank: #4 (2 different months between the December 1888 rating list and the January 1889 rating list ) Highest Rating: 2710 on the March 1897 rating list, #7 in world, age 36y0m Best Individual Performance: 2722 in Teichmann-von Bardeleben Match (Berlin), 1895, scoring 6/10 (60%) vs 2700-rated opposition |
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May-16-08
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| brankat: I think You should see a doctor. |
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| Aug-01-08 |
| myschkin: <>
Der Selbstmordversion widersprachen allerdings Mieses und Kagan in Nachrufen in Sonderheft No. 2 von Kagans Neuesten Schachnachrichten 1924. „Höchstwahrscheinlich hat er, der an hochgradiger Arterienverkalkung litt, einen leichten Schwindelanfall oder Blutandrang nach dem Kopf bekommen und ist, um frische Luft zu schöpfen an das mit einer niedrigen Brüstung versehene offene Fenster getreten, wobei er das Uebergewicht [sic!] verlor und hinunterstürzte.“ (Mieses, a.a.O., S. 55 f.) |
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| Jul-05-09 |
| Blunderdome: Those of you who have shared biographical information -- what are your sources? Has anyone written a biography of this fellow? Aside from their similar methods of suicide, is there any connection between CVB and Nabokov's Luzhin -- or is it only Wikipedia that has it in such dogmatic terms? |
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