|Nov-06-04|| ||Knight13: If I am black, I would play 3... c5. And I can't believe nobody has kibitzed here! |
|Dec-26-04|| ||Dinochess: <Knight13> 3...c5 is good, c3 (b3!? Black equalized nicely in a game where Smyslov was White) Nbd7 Nbd2 g6! (e6 is also viable but less convenient) Bd3 Bg7 0-0 0-0 e3 dxe4 Ne4 Ne4 Be4 Nf6 Bc2 cxd4 Nd4 and NCO (Nunn's Chess Openings) says it is equal. (Though I have picked out a lot of mistakes in NCO). |
|Sep-16-05|| ||Averageguy: 3...Bf5 takes most of the sting out of the colle, because if white plays 4.Bd3 black can either trade bishops followed by e6 and c5 and whites most useful kingside attacker has been lost, or Black can just play or Bg6 and equalize quickly. That said, the Colle system is still a potent weapon for many of us amateurs.|
|Oct-20-05|| ||Averageguy: While the Colle is a good opening for amatuers, it's main problem is that black will usually have a positional advantage if the queens are exchanged. Here's a game I played a few weeks ago in the Aberdeen chess Tournament against a 1300 rated player to prove my point. I was black: 1.Nf3 d5 2.d4 Nf6 3.e3 Bf5 4.c3 e6 5.Bd3 Bxd3 6.Qxd3 c5 (a blunder, now he can win a pawn with 7.dxc5 Bxc5 8.Qb5+ Nd7 9.Qxb7)7.0-0(he missed it) 7...c4 8.Qc2
Ne4 9.Nbd2 f5 10.Ne5 Nd7 11.Qa4 Nxd2(I realise he is about to exchange queens, otherwise Qa4 has no point, so I don't allow him the oppurtunity to double my pawns)12.Bxd2 Bd6 13.Qxd7+ Qxd7 14.Nxd7
Kxd7 15.Rae1 b5(starting my attack) 16.f3 a5 17.e4 Rhb8(I had planned to play 17...b4 but didn't like 18.b3, but in analysis we realised that 18...Rhc8 wouldn't allow him to trade pawns, because 19.cxb4 axb4 20.bxc4 Rxc4 wins a pawn)18.exf5 exf5 19.g4 f4 20.Re2 b4 21.Rfe1 b3 (when I played this, I already had my nice finish in mind) 22.a3(what I was expecting,22.axb3 would be bad)22...Re8(all I have to do is swap the rooks off)23.g5 Rxe2 24.Rxe2 Re8 25.Rxe8 Kxe8 26.Kg2 Bxa3 27.Resigns (If he takes the bishop, then he loses to 27...b2) Comments would be welcomed.|
|Oct-20-05|| ||Averageguy: I forgot to post, in the analysis we found that 23.a4 should have drawn, we both missed this but it doesn't allow the sacrifice. I forgot to include this in my last post.|
|Mar-31-06|| ||southpawjinx: Watson,R (886) - Mullikin,T (1129) [D04]
HB Global Chess Challenge U1400 (9), 22.05.2005
1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 Nbd7 4.Nbd2 e6 5.Bd3 c5 6.c3 c4 7.Be2 Qe7 8.b3 Ne4 9.bxc4 Nxc3 10.Qc2 Nxe2 11.Kxe2 e5 12.cxd5 exd4 13.Qe4 Nf6 14.Qxe7+ Bxe7 15.Nxd4 Nxd5 16.Bb2 Bf6 17.N2f3 0-0 18.Rhc1 Bg4 19.Rc2 Rfe8 20.h3 Nf4+ 21.Kf1 Bxf3 22.Nxf3 Bxb2 23.Rxb2 Nd3 24.Rxb7 Reb8 25.Rab1 a6 26.Rxb8+ 1-0
Too bad that this tournament will no longer be running. I had fun. The HB foundation lost $500,000 in running it. Minneapolis convention center was still a great place to play in, and now they have a tram with connection to the Mall of America.
|Jul-12-06|| ||ganstaman: How does 3...Bg4 look here? I've just started playing the Colle (or at least attempting it -- I'm finding that simply playing 1.d4 isn't enough all the time), and someone played this against me. I decided to not let that stop me get the position I wanted, but I'm wondering if I should have switched plans (I know stats here aren't great, but 4.c4 looks best :( ).|
Here's the G/5 game, mostly just because I like the ending:
1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. e3 Bg4 4. Nbd2 e6 5. a3 <to prevent ...Bb4, which would have forced me to play c3. But I want to play b3 instead. Maybe it's a waste of time, but I'm gonna stubbornly get what I want> Bd6 6. b3 Ne4 7. Bb2 Nxd2 8. Qxd2 Bxf3 9. gxf3 <Some people cringe making this move, but they shouldn't. Right now, I used mind control to get my opponent to castle kingside: > O-O 10. c4 c5 <?allows me to open the long diagonal for my dark square bishop. More mind control at work??> 11. dxc5 Bxc5 12. Rg1 d4 13. exd4 Bd6 14. Qh6
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<tell me you don't enjoy putting your queen in spots like that. My opponent could have put up better defense, but I guess the time pressure caused a little slip of the mind> 14...Qf6 15. Qxf6 1-0
So I conclude that 3...Bg4 doesn't stop the Colle as long as you have mind control. Everyone agree?
|Jul-13-06|| ||Stanley Yee: Hello Ganstaman. What an interesting conversation. I play the Colle as well. 14...g6 15 d5 e5 is better but White still has clear advantage. Try this, with 4 c4. Transposed to Slav. Comments on my sac on b2 are welcome. Also comments on continuation. I was going to play 23 Qh4 but 23 Qh3 is interesting.
[Event "Interclub vs Papatoetoe - Slav Exchange"]
[White "Yee, Stanley"]
[Black "Vital, Henry"]
[WhiteElo "1893 80"]
[BlackElo "1924 70"]
1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. e3 Bg4 4. c4 c6 5. cxd5 Bxf3 6. Qxf3 cxd5 7. Bb5+
Nbd7 8. Nc3 e6 9. O-O Be7 10. e4 dxe4 11. Nxe4 Nxe4 12. Qxe4 a6 13. Bd3 Qb6
14. Re1 Nf6 15. Qh4 Rd8 16. Be3 Qxb2 17. Rab1 Qc3 18. Red1 b5 19. Bg5 h6
20. Qg3 Qc8 21. Rbc1 Qa8 22. Be3 Bd6
|Jul-13-06|| ||ganstaman: <Stanley Yee> In your game: why draw there? Still an exciting position, I think. I don't see black's extra pawn really doing much right now. White has the bishop pair, but the bishops aren't really all that useful unfortunately. And I think that black can try to trap white's queen (and when the trapping fails, black will at least have opened up more, making a kingside attack easier). So I like black's position a bit better, but I don't think he can really make anything of it.|
I find that usually if someone loses after taking the pawn on b2, he can blame the loss on taking that pawn. Therefore, the sac was probably good.
I like 20.Qg3. It took me a minute to figure out how that move worked.
In general: 4.c4 may be best, but I'm just now trying out 1.d4. I figured starting with the Colle would be best since it's easy to understand (at least the basics), it works against almost any black response, and it's solid and aggressive. I guess learning QG positions wouldn't be too much more work, but I was hoping to stick to one system as much as possible until I get more experience with it. I've read that the Colle doesn't do so well against KID-type defenses, so I already have another opening to work on (and standard KID positions are very different from standard Colle positions for white).
The general consensus is that 2.c4 is better for white anyway, so I don't mind playing an inferior 4th move as long as I don't give black a real advantage (equality is perfectly fine with me). I really like the whole idea of the Colle System (with b3, not c3). I used to play the Bird's Opening (1.f4) a lot, and it seems that they create very similar positions. The difference is that now 1...e5 is not as good for black, and when my kingside attack fails, I'll already have a bigger stake in the center, so my pawns will be better able to help out in the late middlegame and endgame. Or at least that's how it looks to me right now.
|Nov-09-08|| ||freeman8201: Yes, I alson had some problems playing against the King's Indian when I play the Colle as white.|
|Nov-09-08|| ||Poisonpawns: The Colle System sucks against Kings Indian.You have to play main lines to get a good game vs Kings Indian|
|Jan-13-13|| ||Everett: <Nov-09-08 Poisonpawns: The Colle System sucks against Kings Indian.You have to play main lines to get a good game vs Kings Indian>|
Yusupov recommends Smyslov's treatment vs the KID, playing Bg4 and c4 before e3. The games have some bite.