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| Feb-16-04 | | matein8: <Drukenknight, Gower> Thanks for your help. DK, I guess that you have a typo and mean 2...Ne4. Yes, I see that's the most popular response according to the opening explorer. I was thinking about Benjamin's objections to 2...Ne4 above, though. In response to 1.d4, I normally play either the NID or the QID and so I find the Tromp annoying when it's forced on me. So some interesting lines to play against it are:
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 Ne4 3.Bf4 c5 (or d5) e.g. Van der Wiel vs Kasparov, 1982 1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d6 e.g. Vaganian vs Kasparov, 1979 1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 e.g. K Richter vs Alekhine, 1941 1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 c5 e.g. Janowski vs Nimzowitsch, 1926 |
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| Feb-16-04 | | drukenknight: matein, yeah thanks. That was a typo. Some fun openings with this: 1 d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 Ne4 3 h4 c5 4 dxc5 Qa4 5 Nd2 Nxg5 6 hxg5 e6 7 c3 Qxc5 8 Nf3 that was against the computer, but there are there are many ways to go for black on move 5, maybe that's why it's so difficult black has many choices, same thing but with 5....e6 6 c3 Nxg5 7 hxg5 Qxc5 8 Ngf3 Kd8 9 Qe2 h6 10 Nb3 Qd6 11 gxh6 gxh6 there are lots of traps in all of these. But you know what? most white players will not take the c pawn, they just dont like to right off, so instead 3...c5 4 Nc3 Qa4 5 Qd3 Nxf3 6 gxf3 c6 7 Bf4 cxd4 8 Qxd4? ...ewwww, watch the fork. stuff like that, keep working those moves and see what you come up. |
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| Feb-16-04 | | matein8: DK, thanks for the input. BTW, that symbol at the end of my username is the number eight (8), not just the infinity symbol turned on it's side ;-) |
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| Mar-03-04 | | waddayaplay: Also, the simple 2...e6 is playable, and 2...g6 is a solid choice. |
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| Mar-24-04 | | ruylopez900: Is there a Torre Attack that isn't the Tartakower Variation?? |
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| Apr-19-04 | | Vischer: Is this named after Eugenio Torre, Carlos Torre Repetto, or Gonzalez De La Torre, Santiago? |
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| Apr-19-04 | | Dillinger: <vischer> see refutor's post above |
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| Apr-19-04 | | Vischer: Ah, Carlos Torre Repetto. |
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| Aug-03-04 | | cuendillar: <ruylopez900> Yes, the main line goes 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.Bg4 and is categorized as A46.
When blacks second move is d5, g6 or b6 it is also called Torre Attack. |
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| Sep-24-04 | | Knight13: I usually play this when playing Queen's Pawn Game. |
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| Sep-25-04 | | Kean: Why not 1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 and h6 next?
If Bh4 then Bf5 and black aims at controling e4, besides h6 is only to make space to the bishop at h7, and if Bxf6 exf6 and next f5 again controlling e4.The point being also developing the bad c8 bishop awhile white make those bishop moves. I saw once something about this system in a magazine. |
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| Jan-06-05 | | Flo: After 3.Bg5 is the position of black very defensive.
Kean, after 1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 d5 could white play 3.Bxf6 and now it's not good for black to play 0-0 later or the center of black is not strong. After 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bg5 is 3....e6 the best move because black could play 4....Qxf6 after 4.Bxf6. After 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bg5 e6 4.Bxf6? Qxf6 is the position of black OK. |
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| Jul-20-05 | | erad1288: actually after 1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Bg5 e6 5. Nbd2 Bd6 6. Bxf6 Qxf6 7. e4 is better for white because he has no structural weaknesses and a lead in development |
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| Sep-27-05 | | jeff1980: hi there..im new here in chessgames.com and i was hoping someone could help me..im researching for my opening repertoire as white and im considering the torre attack..does anyone know an internet site where there is a move-by-move analysis of this opening?i would appreciate anyone's help.. :) |
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| Sep-27-05 | | Paul123: Jeff I'm not that strong of a player but when I checked into this opening I found the reason it is not seen in master practice is because of this line 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bg5 Ne4!? with.....White haveing two choices 4. Bf4 and Bh4
4.Bf4 c5 5.e3 Qb6 6.Qc1 Nc6 7.c3 Bf5 8.Be2 Rc8 black is equal with 9.0-0 cxd4 or [9...e6] and
4.Bh4 4...g6 5.e3 Bg7=] or 4...Qb6 5.Qc1 Bf5 6.e3= However in my most humble and not so strong opinion...(remember opinions are like blow-holes, everyone's got one and I'm no different!) I think lines that can give white a slight plus are the lines that stem from 4. Bh4. They have a better win percentage and offer better chances to mix it up. |
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| Sep-29-05 | | jdlasmarias: <paul123> thanks..actually the reason im not really convinced with the torre attack is because of the line..1 d4 d5 2 Nf3 Nf6 3 Bg5 Ne4! and now 4 Bh4 Qd6 with the threat Qb4 and Qh6..is this bookline?can anyone give a comment on this line?
Im looking for an opening to play as white against all black responses and several choices came up..Colle system, Torre attack and the London system..but im not really that convined with these openings..is there an ECO code for the london system?
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Dec-31-05
 | | Ron: The position below, which arises from d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 Bg5 h6 Bh4 c5 e3 b6 c3 Bb7 Nbd2 Be7 Bd3 d5 Ne5 0-0 0-0 Nbd7
click for larger viewhas occurred before according the chessbase.com's database.
After this, the natural looking move Rc1 seems to be new. I submit that this move is fine and white can even get a good attacking setup: for example: Rc1 Nxe5 dxe5 Nd7 Bxe7 Qe7 f4 c4 Bb1 f5 exf6(e.p) Rxf6 Qc2
Of course, black can play different moves but it seems to me that ideas like Rc1, Bb1, Qc2 seem interesting. |
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| Jan-01-06 | | Ybrevo: <Ron> Instead of Rc1 I would strongly consider f2 - f4 first. If Nd7xNe5 then fxe5 with a very promising K-side attack. I have played that position 2 times with good succes. One of the big problems for Black is, that the Bishop on b7 is stone dead compared to White Bishop on d3. |
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Oct-04-06
 | | keypusher: Surprised they named this variation after Tartakower -- surely someone won a game with it once?! http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...(D03)+as+White+ |
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| Apr-04-07 | | gambitfan: Quite similar to the Trompovsky attack 1 d4 ♘f6 2 ♗g5 (Opening of the Day - 03/04/2007) |
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| Apr-02-09 | | Archswindler: I used to play this opening all the time, but when I reached a certain level it just stopped working, and I decided it was time to give 1. e4 a try. Maybe I'll go back to it when I'm too old for open sicilians. |
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| Apr-02-09 | | WhiteRook48: Tartakower NEVER won with that variation, surprisingly! |
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| Jul-28-09 | | whiteshark: Opening of the Day <Torre Attack (Tartakower Variation) <1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bg5>> http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches... |
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Mar-08-12
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Torre Attack (Tartakower Variation)
1.d4 d5 2.♘f3 ♘f6 3.♗g5
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| Sep-26-13 | | Kikoman: <Opening of the Day> Torre Attack (Tartakower Variation)
1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Bg5
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