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|Jun-12-09|| ||Crocomule: 25. dxe5! Is this the sort of move Korchnoy had in mind when he called Tal's play "stereotyped"? (15th move in Tal-Bilek '63; 22nd move of Tal-Hubner '79, etc.)|
|Oct-13-13|| ||al wazir: The first two moves are easy once we are told that this is a Tal attack. After 27...Bg7 I would have played 28. Rxe7, however.|
|Oct-13-13|| ||devere: <al wazir> 28. Rxe7 is a nice looking move, but it doesn't win after 28...Bxh1, and 28.Nxc7! does win. That's one reason that great memorial tournament is named for Tal, and not the rest of us.|
|Oct-13-13|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: This puzzle was too easy precisely *because* it's a Sunday--it's insane, it's Tal, his Queen is en prise, therefore...|
In fact, I analyzed a few moves past Padevsky's resignation. However, if this had been a Thursday or Friday puzzle, I could not have solved it at all. Impossible. Not a chance.
Odd little paradox.
|Oct-13-13|| ||diagonalley: lemme see... sunday... uh-oh... who's white?... tal... oh gawd... i'm going back to bed|
|Oct-13-13|| ||scormus: <al wazir .... Tal attack> my thoughts exactly. I'd never have got it if it had been, say, Petrosian. |
I had my eye on Nxc7 from the beginning, but how to set it up? Tal .... Q-sac .... how about e6? Then it sorted of fitted into place
|Oct-13-13|| ||gofer: Okay, <CG> have responded with vigour! White has lots of choice and
so does Black. We have a lot of analysis to do, but I suppose the
only important question is whether we play a queen sacrifice or not.|
Qxc7+, e6 and Bg2 all seem options. Scary. But possible.
I think we can discount Bg2.
26 Bg2 dxc3 27 Rxh5 cxb2+ 28 Kb1 Bxg2 29 e6 Nd5 30 exd7 Bg7
Qxc7+ also looks a little unwise...
26 Qxc7+ Rxc7 27 e6 Nd5 28 Bg2 Nxf4
So what about the last one?
<26 e6! ...>
The queen is immune!
26 ... dxc3
27 exd7 cxb2+
28 Kb1 Bg7 (Nc6 29 Rd8+! )
29 Nxc7! Nc6
So what next? Well Rd7 can't move, so that just leaves...
<26 ... Nd5>
<27 exd7 Nxc3+>
<28 bxc3 Bd6>
<29 Nxd6 ...>
29 ... Bxh1
<29 ... cxd6>
<30 Bxd6+ Kh8>
<31 Bg2 >
|Oct-13-13|| ||Once: An interesting one. The main line wasn't so hard to find, but Fritzie isn't so sure about the extent of white's advantage.|
In human mode first...
A little bit of retrograde analysis suggests that black's last move must have been 25...d4 attacking our queen and unleashing a discovered attack on the Rh1.
So our queen is attacked, prompting the Ghostbusteresque "who you gonna call?" or in chessese "Wadda ya gonna do?" Retreat, attack, ignore?
Retreating the queen doesn't seem like a Sundayish thing to do, especially when we are riding shotgun with Mikhail Tal. So let's look for aggressive options.
Then it doesn't take too long to wade through the crud (Qxc7+??) and find 26.e6 threatening exd7 and d8=Q+.
That's an interesting idea, so now we need to do the grind and spell-check it. Others do this far better than me so I'll leave the floor to them.
Enter Herr Fritz. He doesn't quite bust white's idea, but he manages to do a bit of damage limitation...
26. e6 dxc3 27. exd7 Bg7 28. Nxc7 Qf3 (Qh4 is the same) 29. Nd5+ (or Ne6+) Qxf4+ 30. Nxf4 Bf6
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White has come out ahead - he has won the exchange. But it's not a clear cut position. Fritzie calls it +1.5. I think that's enough to call the combination a success, but for my money it does suggest that resignation may have been a little premature.
|Oct-13-13|| ||Vincenze: <Once: White has come out ahead - he has won the exchange. But it's not a clear cut position.> The Qf3 sacrifice levels things out. The 27 ... cxb2+ looks pointless. I agree, resignation a tad premature.|
|Oct-13-13|| ||AsosLight: This is certainly not insane.|
|Oct-13-13|| ||gofer: <diagonalley: lemme see... sunday... uh-oh... who's white?... tal... oh gawd... i'm going back to bed>|
My thoughts too... ...but only got out of bed at 10 a.m. in the first place...
|Oct-13-13|| ||mig55: I found this, thus it can not be a really sunday puzzle!|
|Oct-13-13|| ||dante1234: insane|
|Oct-13-13|| ||scormus: < .... resignation a tad premature> yes, I would say so too. Even against Tal. When I played through the game I thought I must have missed something.|
And when I think about the positions some of my internet chess opponents play on in .....
|Oct-13-13|| ||Penguincw: Yes! I got the first move. Afterwards, I was thinking of the bishop capturing c7.|
|Oct-13-13|| ||agb2002: White is one pawn down.
Black threatens 26... dxc3, 26... Bxh1 and 26... Nd5.
The rook on d7 protects the weak spot c7. This suggests 26.e6, ignoring the threats and creating others of White's own:
A) 26... dxc3 27.exd7
A.1) 27... Nc6 28.Re8+ Qxe8 (28... Bc8 29.dxc8=Q#) 29.dxe8=Q+ wins.
A.2) 27... Bg7 28.Nxc7 (threatens 29.Ne8+)
A.2.a) 28... Bxh1 29.Ne8+ Kb7 30.d8=Q Rxe8 (30... Qxe8 31.Rxe7+) 31.Rxe7+
A.2.a.i) 31... Rxe7 32.Qxe7+ looks winning, for example, 32... Kc6 33.Qd6+ Kb7 (33... Kb5 34.Bf1+ and mate in two) 34.Qc7+ Ka6 35.Bf1+ b5 (35... Ka5 36.Qxa7#) 36.Qc6+ Ka5 37.Qxb5#.
A.2.a.ii) 31... Ka6 32.Bf1+ b5 (32... Ka5 33.Rxa7#) 33.Rxe8 cxb2+ 34.Kb1 and 34... Qd1+ is not possible.
A.2.a.iii) 31... Kc6 32.Qd7+ Kc5 33.b4+ Kc4 34.Qd3#.
A.2.b) 28... Qh4 29.Nd5+ (29.Na6+ Ka8 30.Nc7+ gives perpetual at least)
A.2.b,i) 29... Ka8 30.Rxe7 looks winning (30... Qh5 31.Re8+ Rxe8 32.dxe8=Q+ Qxe8 33.Nc7+).
A.2.b.ii) 29... Qxf4+ 30.Nxf4 cxb2+ 31.Kb1 Bxh1 32.Rxe7 seems to win.
A.2.c) 28... Qf3 29.Nd5+ Ka8 (29... Qxf4 transposes to A.2.b.ii) 30.Bg2 Qxg2 31.Nc7+ Kb8 32.Ne8+ Ka8 33.d8=Q+ Bc8 34.Qxc8#.
B) 26... Bxh1 27.exd7 (with the double threat 28.Qxc7+ and 28.d8=Q+) 27... Nc6 28.d8=Q+ and mate soon.
C) 26... Qh4 27.exd7 Qxf4+ (27... dxc3 28.d8=Q+ and mate in two) 28.Qd2 Qxd2+ 29.Kxd2 Bg7 30.Rxe7 seems to win.
|Oct-13-13|| ||Overgod: I pretty much got all the moves correct from the beginning. I did tussle between 28. Nxc7 and 28. Bxc7+|
I haven't checked with the engines, but I consider both to be winning, but I do admit Tal's Nxc7 is the superior move.
|Oct-13-13|| ||chrisowen: I cordbag bishop combie c7 knight delve spade at f3... |
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|Oct-13-13|| ||Jimfromprovidence: There is one cool move to find to prevent a swindle if 28...Qf3 29 Nd5+ Ka8 follows.|
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White cannot continue with 30 Nc7+ Kb8 31 Ne8+? setting up the pawn promotion because of 31... Qxf4+.
The diversion move 30 Bg2 comes first and wins nicely.
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|Oct-13-13|| ||Patriot: The main idea here I think is that 26.e6 can be played even with ...dxc3 threatened.|
26.e6 dxc3 27.exd7 Nf6 28.Re8+ Nd8 29.Rxd8+ Bc8 30.dxc8=Q#
26.e6 Qxh3 27.Qxh3
I'm not sure what else is critical here.
|Oct-13-13|| ||Patriot: I never considered 27...Bg7 and 28.Nxc7!|
|Oct-13-13|| ||LoveThatJoker: A tremendous puzzle because it is from the perspective of one of the most unique World Champions of all-time!|
<26. e6! dxc3 27. exd7 cxb2+>
(27...Bg7 28. Bg2 Qg4 29. Bxc7+ Ka8 30. 30. Rxe7! )
<28. Kg1 Bg7 29. Bg2 Qg4 29. Bxc7+ Ka8 30. Rxe7>
|Oct-13-13|| ||LoveThatJoker: I opted for Bg2 instead of Nxc7.
I failed the problem according to Stockfish as after 30. Rxe7 Qg5+ is obviously curtains for White.
I enjoyed trying to solve this, I didn't enjoy the outcome of my attempt on this occasion, however! :)
Perhaps next time I will do better.
|Oct-13-13|| ||Marmot PFL: Seems that the only move to consider is 26 e6 and it soon becomes evident that the pawn is unstoppable. The queen has to be taken, if the rook moves Nxc7 or Qxc7+ win easily, 26...dc3 27 ed7 threatening d8(Q)+ 27...Nc6 28 Re8+ or 27...Bg7 28 Nxc7 threatening Ne8 dis+ and d8(Q) among other things. Easy for Tal.|
The opening was a Winawer French, where black refrained from attacking white's center with the natural c5, and his game always seemed cramped and poorly developed. Never trusted this line, although I know Petrosian and others have played it with some success.
|Oct-13-13|| ||Kikoman: <Puzzle of the Day>|
so <26. e6> is the solution. I was thinking of 26. Qxc7+. Better luck next time :P
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