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Von Neumann vs Daniel E Shapiro
21st World Open (1993), Philadelphia, PA USA, rd 4, Jul-??
Scotch Game: General (C44)  ·  0-1
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Oct-28-03  Diggitydawg: DK, lol. On the subject of cheating, on Yahoo I once played a person who claimed to be Jessica Nill, the German female champ. I knew she was a fake when I asked her some questions in (my limited) German and she couldn't answer. She (he?) began taking over 9 minutes per move (the time control was at maximum 10 minutes per move or forfeit) so I ended up forfeiting the game. I play now on ICC, where they they check professional players for their credentials, and they have an honor code against using computer help.
Oct-28-03  Cyphelium: >I knew she was a fake when I asked her some questions in (my limited) German and she couldn't answer.

There is an alternative explanation for that. ;-)

Oct-28-03  Diggitydawg: Lol, ok Cyphelium, I'll bite, what's the alternative?
Oct-28-03  Cyphelium: Your German is to limited. =)
Oct-28-03  Diggitydawg: Haha, I believe my question was:
"Bitte erklaren Sie mir, das Ihre Lieblingschessplayers sind."

To which I got no reply, except a lengthening of the time per move.

Oct-28-03  Cyphelium: haha, very polite phrasing!

As regards the lengthening of time I guess "she" was busy trying to find an online German dictionary...

Nov-06-03  Lawrence: >Shadout Mapes<, what's questionable about this game? To the uninitiated like me it looks perfectly valid. Anyway, I'm glad chessgames doesn't just have games played by experts, which would make it a lot less fun.
May-18-04  mymt: check out Von Neumann on google,it shows computor cheating is not restricted to Internet chess or corrospondece but even OTB.Had some suggestion of electronic help at a local [NZ] TOURNAMENT afew years ago,nothing proved but lot of bad feeling.
Aug-16-04  Kaspy2: <Diggitydawg> ;)
I offer a third explanation: she was a philosopher and you indeed asked a deeply philosophical question, which even would send Aristotle into a phase of refection. Had you now rephrased to "...was ihre" , of course she should have come up with names of those sexy muscular guys like Karpov and the likes... ;)
Jul-19-05  Knight13: <White lost on time!> What the heck!? The time control is 40/2hrs man! HOW CAN HE RUN OUT OF TIME!? LOL. Nice to see a game with some giggles.
Jul-19-05  Marvol: <Knight13:> check the other posts, and the Google search. Seems the guy was cheating and his "cheat-o-matic" broke down here.
Jul-19-05  Knight13: <Marvol> I know that but, then, it shouldn't be "White lost on time!" but "White lost due to cheating!." :0
Nov-29-12
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  perfidious: The final position is a tough nut to crack.
Jul-11-13
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  Domdaniel: White's strange 4th move, e5, is an indication that something was already wrong. Perhaps 'Von Neumann' had inputted ...Nf6 rather than ...Nc6.

Denis Strenzwilk, who was playing on the next board, wrote " I remember the moves of the game differently from what you have recorded. I thought that the first two moves were 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nf6, then somehow von Neuman lost a pawn, made about nine moves, and let his clock run out. Very strange!"

Jul-11-13
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  perfidious: <Dom>: I was at Philadelphia during part of this event, remember hearing some of the whispers of unseemly doings, but it was only after I left town that the whole business broke wide open.

Nice piece of irony: dropped by one of the lower sections to have a word with a player whom I had known while living in Massachusetts, when another from the Bay State became concerned about my presence.

All my years in Boston, the latter had never uttered a single word to me that I can recall, but this day was different: my old acquaintance that day was the opponent of this player's mother.

Jul-11-13
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  Domdaniel: <perf> My local tournament, the Cork Open, is the latest event to feature a cheating row. A teenage contestant was found consulting a computer in the toilets, by his opponent, who may have over-reacted. Both were then disqualified by the TD.

And all this excitement happened the first time in about ten years that I wasn't playing in the event. Sigh.

On second thoughts, maybe neither of us missed very much.

Jul-11-13
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  perfidious: <Dom>: Maybe we didn't.

On what grounds was the opponent at Cork disqualified? His over-reaction?

You mentioned Strenzwilk's account: we played a number of events together, but only met at the board in the very last, at Foxwoods 2001. My recollection is that I was Black in a Winawer French, played inaccurately, enabling Denis to gain a clear advantage, but that he overlooked it. Shortly afterwards, he proposed a draw and I saw no reason to decline.

Jul-12-13
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  FSR: <perfidious> What I read was that the teenager's opponent suspected him of cheating because he kept leaving and going to the bathroom - something like 20 times in the game. So the opponent - an adult man - went into the bathroom and climbed up to where he could look down into the stall where the kid was sitting. Sure enough, the kid was looking at a chess program on his smartphone. So the guy drags the kid out of the stall and starts hitting him. The kid admitted to the TD that he'd cheated, and was kicked out of the tournament for that. The opponent was kicked out for beating up the kid.
Jul-12-13
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  FSR: <perfidious> It was an Android tablet, actually, not a smartphone. Here's a story about the incident: http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...
Jul-12-13
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  perfidious: <FSR>: Fair enough; thanks for the info.
Jul-16-13
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  Domdaniel: <perf> ... <FSR> is mostly correct, although I'm not sure that the aggrieved victim actually hit the cheating youngster. He has denied assault -- but the TD ruled that invading the toilet cubicle was serious enough to warrant disqualification.

I've played the cubicle invader, and it's perhaps fair to say that he's impetuous -- although how would any of us react in similar circumstances?

There were reports in Irish newspapers, and an article in CHESS magazine (UK) got picked up by Chessbase.

Jul-16-13
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  FSR: I think the original article I read was this one: http://www.chessbase.com/Home/TabId... It says:

<At this point he dragged his opponent out and there was a physical altercation. Obviously I canít tell you exactly what happened, but Mr Mirza denies assault and the matter might end up in court. If I were the parents of the boy I would be trying to avoid any more publicity. The tournament organiser Gerry Graham expelled both players: Mirza for his reaction and the boy for cheating. He admitted it, although he didnít need to as he was caught red-handed. I must say I have some sympathy for Mr Mirza. I honestly donít know how I would react in his position, but if he did assault a minor then there is obviously no excuse for that.>

So anyway, I haven't seen anything saying that Mirza actually hit the kid. This one says there was a "physical altercation," whatever exactly that means. My statement that Mirza was thrown out for "beating up the kid" was my impression - misimpression, it seems.

Jul-16-13
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  Domdaniel: <FSR> Yeah, I read the same report -- plus a couple of Irish newspapers and an anodyne statement on the Irish chess union website. But none of them add anything much.

I live near the tournament venue, and I dropped in the following day -- but I missed all the excitement.

Jul-17-13  BlackFront: <Daniel Shapiro's waiting...>
Apr-21-14
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  offramp: Cork Open LOL. You could switch around the words AND interchange their meanings from verbs to nouns and it would all still make sense.

I have given an extensive disquisition on my opinions about toilets, especially backwards ones, at

Stelios Halkias

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