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Herman Steiner vs NN
"Herman Munster" (game of the day Oct-31-2010)
California - (1945), rd 228
Italian Game: Two Knights Defense. Fried Liver Attack (C57)  ·  1-0
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Oct-31-10  lentil: I got my liver fried in my first rated game. Nasty intro to tournament chess!
Oct-31-10  Sularus: For once I want to see NN win. =)
Oct-31-10
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  Phony Benoni: <Sularus>: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...
Oct-31-10
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  al wazir: 18. Qe3+ Kb5 (18...Kc6 19. Qb6#) 19. Qb6+ Ka4 20. Bb3#/Nc3#/Qb3# would have been just as pretty. Or after 18...Kb5, 19. Nc3+ Ka6/Kc6 20. Qb6#.
Oct-31-10
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  Eduardo Bermudez: Pretty mate !!
Oct-31-10  dark.horse: <Elsinore> It is very likely NN is a known person, though not necessarily known as a player. H. Steiner lived in Hollywood and played a lot of games with movie stars.
Oct-31-10  scormus: <dark.horse ... a lot of games with movie stars> Ah, that explains. I think NN was the actor Fred Gwynne, if I have the name right ;-)
Oct-31-10
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  Jim Bartle: Fred Gwynne would have been 19 in 1945 and had never been in a movie.
Oct-31-10
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  whiteshark: Munster? It's the name of a military training area in Northern Germany. I don't get it.
Oct-31-10  Elsinore: <whiteshark> Herman Munster was a character on "The Munsters". He was "built" by Dr. Frankenstein, and since this is the GOTD for Halloween, you know,,,
Oct-31-10
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  Phony Benoni: <whiteshark> US-centric reference to a 1960s television show, "The Munsters", starring Fred Gwynne as a Frankenstein-monster character.

http://www.freewebs.com/themunsters...

Oct-31-10
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  whiteshark: ic, ty <Elsinore> :D
Oct-31-10  Elsinore: <whiteshark> np, yw
Oct-31-10
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  whiteshark: <Phony Benoni> Overlapping post, thankx, 2. I notice a certain, similar horrified facial expression in our avtaars. Probably this is only on Halloween...
Oct-31-10  scormus: <dark.horse ... a lot of games with movie stars>

;-)

Oct-31-10  Certhas: whiteshark, Münster is actually German for cathedral. The city is the culturally most important cities of the area. It played an important role in European history. The modern concept of state sovereignity originated in the Westphalian Treaty negotiated and signed there, between all the powers of Europe, ending the thirty year war in 1648.

This was the first diplomatic congress, pioneering the idea that the states send diplomats to bargain rather than armies to conquer.

Oct-31-10  Certhas: Ah I just realized that (unsurprisingly) there is a town called Munster with the mentioned Army base. Learned something new today...
Oct-31-10  Elsinore: <Certhas> Doesn't "Dom" mean cathedral in German? Serious question, not trying to bite your head off.
Oct-31-10
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  greatdane: [Elsinore]I agree entirely with your point. I think computer analysis have a lot to blame for making chess more predictable and boring, and generally I find older games like this much more entertaining. But there are exceptions even with modern games, in particular if you look broader than the most well-known tournaments, where often nobody dare take a risk. The Danish GM Bent Larsen, who died recently, is an example of a modern player who hated playing the standard openings and predictable developments, always looking for new and surprising ways to approach a game. Admittedly, he lost some important games due to that dare-devil attitude, but the point is; he always knew that risk was there, but he would rather play exciting chess and loose than play boringly safe chess to be sure of a draw.
Oct-31-10  Elsinore: <greatdane> Sure, and Morozevich is another example. But look at, I don't know, 97% of GM's today and its the QGD. I think computers have ruined chess not only in tournament play, but on websites such as this. I'm not exactly the worlds greatest player, but I always try and work out where white went wrong, black went wrong, ect. People just put moves into their computer, copy and paste a continuation thats half a page long, and think that something was accomplished. I don't care if I had a continuation that was dead wrong, I worked it out in my head. In "The World vs N.Pogonina", there's endless pages of computer analysis. Whats the point? Even if we win, the comp did all of the work. People get crazy because Kramnik "cheated", but apparently everyone would do it if they could.
Oct-31-10
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  Eric Schiller: <elsinore> I agree. It is as if boxers were replaced by robots. But there is a silver lining. Chessplayers used to suffer from the reputation of being geeks (before the Hip-hop Chess Federation came along). Now most chesssplayers seem like the most normal social beings compared to the ones who just play with their computers.

There is no way to enjoy a great game with a computer buzzing along. Chess is a psychological sport and mind games are as important as correct moves.

Since no chess game can be won without an error, computer analysis is irrelevant to the sport.

Nobody cares about he result of Nerd Army computers against Pogonina's computer. We all know it will be a draw, almost certainly.

Nov-01-10
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  kevin86: Greed is punished...and is NOT good.
Dec-05-10  Gambit All: Thanks "Black Kangaroo" - I like your collection of games. Eric Schiller has a solid scholastic book (First Chess Openings) with a move-by-move blow of the Fried Liver Attack featuring the most common sequences. His main opening line is 8..♘e7; but he gives a sideline that this game followed move-for-move through white's 12th. He sums up "the enemy king is in serious trouble..." I was anxious to see an actual game showing white deliver the mate.
Nov-27-14
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  GrahamClayton: According to English GM Danny King, 11...♕h4 is better for Black. White has the choice of two discovered checks, but neither of them is really decisive, eg

12. ♘b6+ ♔e7 13. ♕f7+ ♔d8 14. ♘xa8 ♗d7, or
12. ♘xc7+ ♔d7 13. ♕f7+ ♕e7 14. ♕xe7+ ♗xe7+ 15. ♘xa8 ♔d6.

Apr-15-16  schnarre: ...Ouch! Black was just dominated in this melee.
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