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Wilhelm Steinitz vs Sam Loyd
"Loyd of London" (game of the day Jul-10-2005)
Paris (1867), Paris FRA, Jun-22
Vienna Game: General (C27)  ·  1-0
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Oct-17-03  MoonlitKnight: Black can't capture the knight because of 17...cxd5 18.♗xd5+ ♖f7 19.♕h5 and the mate can only be postponed with 19...♕g6 20.♕xf7+ ♔h8 21.♕g8#. If he declines with 17...♖e8, white has both a material lead and a huge positional lead after 18.♘c7 ♕b6 19.♘xe8. At least I suppose so.

Sam Loyd was a great puzzle-maker, and he must have been able to see Steinitz' winning lines pretty clear after the 17th move. Loyd's main problem as a chess player must surely have been the positional play.

Oct-17-03
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  Sneaky: I think Loyd loved the compositional art of chess so much that he never applied himself seriously to over-the-board play.
Jul-10-05  Boomie: This opening looks like a King's Gambit with colors reversed - a pretty bad idea for black.
Jul-10-05  Elrathia Kingi: 13.axb4! destroys black's active bishop at the cost of an inactive rook, creating huge tempo moves that brought home the point for Steinitz. Instructive game.
Jul-10-05
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  jahhaj: Loyd plays like the amateur he was.
Jul-10-05
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  al wazir: Black has to give back material to save his position: 16...Nbd7 17. gxf6 Nxf6. But Steinitz would still have won.
Jul-10-05  trumbull0042: I don't understand the game's by-line. Is there some kind of pun or hidden meaning?
Jul-10-05  Jamespawn: Lloyd`s of London is a well known insurance company that insures people in very dangerous circumstances that other companies wouldn`t consider , all for a very high price though because of the risks involved.
Jul-10-05
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  PhilFeeley: I know it's been a while, but this is the first time I've seen this game. The following line makes no sense:

<MoonlitKnight: Black can't capture the knight because of 17...cxd5 18.Bxd5+ Rf7 19.Qh5 and the mate can only be postponed with 19...Qg6 20.Qxf7+ Kh8 21.Qg8#. >

The first part is okay, but if black plays 19...Qg6 there is no way white can play 20. Qxf7, because black's queen is blocking that move. And if somehow white did manage to leap over black's queen to take the rook, black could just respond Qxf7 and capture the bishop next move. What did I miss?

Jul-10-05  zabbura2002: There's a pawn on f5.. if black ever play Qg5, just take it with the pawn and white will win.
Jul-10-05
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  Calli: <Lloyd`s of London is a well known insurance company> "Not exactly" as they say in the commercial. Lloyds has a syndicate of independent underwriters from around the world. Lloyd's doesn't insure anything itself but serves as a market place for the underwriters to submit their bids.
Jul-10-05  Jamespawn: Thanks Calli. I`ve heard of Lloyd`s of London , but I didn`t know any of the specifics.
Jul-10-05  mymt: <PhilFeeley> there are many posts like that, you have to work them out for yourself, or just ignore them & move on. I think game variation posts are often made just by "reference to the game diagram" & not by setting up a board & pieces @ home.So many mistake creep in. Im guilty of posting that way; but now keep a set handy for the trickier ones.
Jul-10-05  Quantzo: 17. ...cxd5? 18. Bxd5+ Rf7 19. Qh5 Qg6?? 20. fxg6 wins.

Great win by Steinitz; how many threats can one Knight make? Anyway, here's my non-computer-checked finish after 17. ...cxd5?: 18. Bxd5+ Rf7 (18. ...Kh8 19. Qh5+ Qh6 20. gxh6 Nf6 21. hxg7++ Kxg7 22. Qh6#) 19. Qh5 Nf6 20. Qxf7+ Kh8 21. Kg2! Bxf5 22. Rh1+ Bh7 23. Rxh7+ Kh7 24. g6+ Kh8 25. Qf8+ Ng8 26. Qxg8#. (Quicker: 23. gxf6 Qxf6 (23. ...Nd7 24. Qxg7#) 24. Qg8#.)

Jul-11-05
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  patzer2: This game is a good illustration of Steinitz's theories about developing pieces before the attack. Lloyd wastes too many Queen moves, while White develops, until White has an overwhelming advantage in space and development.

Steinitz didn't really need to sacrifice the exchange as the simple 13. Bd2 d4 14. Nb1 Bxd2+ 15. Nxd2 would have left him with more of an advantage than in the game continuation. However, the exchange sacrifice is instructive in illustrating the strength of White's advance in development and space.

The final 17. Nxe5! pseudo-sacrifice initiates a winning attack on Black's weak and undeveloped King side.

Jul-11-05  aw1988: It is rather fitting, isn't it? Steinitz, the great scientist, advocates developing pieces, while Loyd, the great composer, makes too many queen moves...
Oct-30-05  chesscrazy: Here's a puzzle that was first solved by Sam Loyd. (White to mate in three)


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Oct-30-05  chesscrazy: Also, there is a second part to the question. You have to make a game that will become this position after black's sixteenth move.
Oct-31-05  chesscrazy: Answers: Mate in three can only be forced by 1.d4!
A)if Kh5 then 2.Qd3 Kg4(or Kh4) 3.Qh3 mate
B)if Kg4 then 2.e4+ Kh4 3.g3 mate
Oct-31-05  chesscrazy: This is the answer to the second question:
1.Nc3 d5 2.Nxd5 Nc6 3.Nxe7 g5 4.Nxc8 Nf6 5.Nxa7 Ne4 6.Nxc6 Nc3 7.Nxd8 Rg8 8.Nxf7 Rg6 9.Nxg5 Re6 10.Nxh7 Nb1 11.Nxf8 Ra3 12.Nxe6 b5 13.Nxc7+ Kf7 14.Nxb5 Kg6 15.Nxa3 Kh5 16.Nxb1 Kh4
May-06-07
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  Chessmensch: This game is analyzed by Pandolfini in Chess Life, May 2007, page 46--but he has it (apparently erroneously) played in Paris.
May-06-07  sneaky pete: The apparent error may be excused by the fact that this game was actually played June 22, 1867, in the Paris tournament.
May-06-07  tonsillolith: In chesscrazy's game white starts out with an unusual opening but isn't too bad until he blunders on the second and third moves but black's blunder on the third move allows white to regain the advantage with his material surplus despite black's better development.
May-06-07  tonsillolith: Black then makes terrible blunders on moves 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 and 16, at which point white announced a mate in 3.
Jan-07-09
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  Honza Cervenka: I was a bit plying with a position after eventual 14...d4 (diagram) instead of 14...Qa6.


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From this point it could have followed 15. Bxh6 Qxb2 16. Bxg7 Kxg7 17. Qxe5 Nbd7 18. Qxd4 a5 19. bxa5 c5 20. Qc4 Rxa5 21. g5 Qxc2 22. gxf6+ Nxf6 23. Nh5+ Kh8 24. Qf4 Qxc3 25. Qh6+ Nh7 26. f6 Rg8 27. f7 Rf8 28. Be4 Rxf7 29. Bxh7 Ra6 30. Bg6+ Kg8 31. Bxf7+ Kxf7 32. Qf4+ Kg8 33. Qg5+ Kf7 34. Qd5+ Ke8 35. Nf4 Qg7+ 36. Kh1 Qe7 37. Qh5+ Kd8 38. Rg1 Bd7 39. Rg8+ Be8 40. Nd5 Qe6 41. Qg5+ Kd7 42. Nf4 Qd6 43. h5 b5 44. Kg2 Qc6+ 45. Nd5 Qe6 46. Rf8 Rd6 47. Nf6+ Kc6 48. Nxe8 and white wins. It is quite crazy line, isn't it? :-)

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