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Paul Morphy vs Charles Maurian
New Orleans (1854) (unorthodox)
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Mar-03-04  InspiredByMorphy: This test was a little hardcore if you ask me. Maurian was no patzer.
Mar-24-04  steven18: InspiredByMorphy, you think Maurian was no patzer? I don't know. Been through some of his games and he just seems like he'd be a good club player today. Still, queen odds what Morphy gave are a bit extreme.
Oct-14-04  fgh: Lol, queen odds.
Oct-14-04  SBC: .

If indeed the date of this game is correct, then it was among the first chess games Maurian could have ever played.

Basically, you have a rank novice playing Paul Morphy... what other outcome could there be at almost any odds?

When he and Morphy played their last games together around 1879, Maurian was too strong to receive even Knight odds from Morphy.

Maurian, the chess editor of the New Orleans Times-Democrat, never played competitively.

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Oct-15-04  SBC: .

<chessgames.com>,
does anyone know the source of all these 1854 Morphy/Maurian games?

Oct-15-04  sneaky pete: <SBC> Probably from "Unknown Paul Morphy Games" by David Lawson in the British Chess Magazine, August 1978. "Most of the games hitherto unpublished were found in the notebooks of Charles A.Maurian, Morphy's childhood and life-long friend with whom he played chess most frequently. (...) They were begun late in 1853 soon after Maurian asked Morphy to show him something about the game; January 20th 1854 is given as the starting date of a match between them, Maurian receiving large odds."
Oct-15-04  SBC: <sneaky pete>

Thanks!

I wasn't aware of the BCM article by Lawson and I knew I had never seen a Morphy-Maurian game score from as early as 1854. In fact, I had never seen a Morphy game conceeding queen odds before. I was curious if they came from a reputable source.

It seems to me, though, that the game location would more likely have been Mobile, Alabama than New Orleans, Louisiana.

Now I have to figure out a way to locate that article. :-)

Oct-27-04  Larsenb3: Wow Maurian seemed to do well against the great Morphy! Only losing 23 of 37 to Morphy is a victory all things considered!
Oct-27-04
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  keypusher: They were all odds games.
Oct-27-04  SBC: <Larsenb3>

It's likely that Charles Amédée Maurian played hundreds of games with his friend, Paul Morphy. But in all their games, Maurian received, at the least, Knight-odds. Towards the end of his life, Morphy seemed to have lost more than he won against Maurian at Knight-odds.

Oct-29-04  Larsenb3: Maybe so but they were not recorded (at least as far as I know) so we may never know what the true record was and when one player began to fall apart against his comrad.
Sep-19-05  Jamesbowman: If you go by the games here Maurian played Steinitz, he won one and lost one, Steinitz was world champion, also as I compare great players that both champions played Morphy was always far more dominant than Steinitz, Morphy's game may not have evolved, but it didn't need to, I believe by the numbers he was the most gifted player to play the game. I also noticed that when things were changing and more subtle so was Morphy's game. Maurien was no patzer he just had the misfortune to play the greatest player, if that is a misfortune. I am no great player yet I do recognize brilliance when I see it.
Apr-11-06  MorphyMatt: <keypusher> Morphy vs Maurian, 1866
Apr-11-06  MorphyMatt: Morphy vs Maurian, 1866
Dec-31-08  WhiteRook48: and then Morphy gave up chess altogether. Sad story.
Jan-03-09  WhiteRook48: not a misfortune to play Morphy.
Jan-05-09  WhiteRook48: a highly entertaining game by Maurian
Oct-21-11  Mozart72: Morphy has a final material disadvantage value of 21.5 against Maurian's 30.9, beeing the latter the winner.
Oct-21-11  AnalyzeThis: The hilarious part is the guy Morphy would give queen odds to beat Steinitz outright in a perfectly even game.
Nov-14-12
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  Nightsurfer: It is no big surprise that <Paul Morphy> has given Queen odds. But - talking of Queen odds - there is a real surprise in the data bank: Aron Nimzowitsch has given Queen odds too, just have look at Nimzowitsch vs Leelaus, 1910 ... that is a REAL SURPRISE!
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