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NN vs Gioachino Greco
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King's Gambit: Accepted. Salvio Gambit (C37)  ·  0-1
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Jan-19-03  AgentRgent: no... fxg3 10. hxg3 Qxg3! NOT Qxh1.
Jan-21-03  drukenknight: hmm what about 10 Qxg4 in this line?
Jan-22-03
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  Honza Cervenka: If 9.g3 fxg3 10.Qxg4, then simply 10...Nxg4.
Feb-12-03  chesspatzer: What is the shortest tournament game in chess history?
Jun-01-03  Bears092: patzer - K Shirazi vs H Peters, 1986
Aug-13-03  Blumster: White cannot keep his queen even if he really wants to: 9.g3 fxg3 10.Nxg4 ... After this however, white is dead anyway as black will soon have two queens (with one to trade.)
Apr-06-04  iron maiden: Don't feel too bad for NN; he at least had the satisfaction of outliving everyone he lost to!
Apr-06-04  Kenkaku: <Bears092> Actually, the shortest tournament game is Janosevic vs Geller, 1968
Apr-27-04  PawnPoet: ok instead of Bxd5 for move 8, how about e4xd4 freeing up the bishop to stop the black's Bishop threat on the Queen? white would still have chances...any thoughts?
May-07-04
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  tpstar: <PawnPoet> We studied your suggestion of 8. ed at chess club. I thought 8 ... f3 worked (9. Bf1 Qe7+; 9. d3 fg) but there's a giant hole = 9. Bb5+ c6 10. dc bc 11. Qxf3 and now Black must make a defensive move (11 ... Bb7/Bd7) giving White time to consolidate the 2 Pawn advantage. Here 11 ... cxb5? is out due to 12. Qxa8 Bc5 13. Qe4+ getting Queens off. We thought best play was 8. ed Bd6 (8 ... Bc5?! 9. d4) to meet 9. Qe2+ with 9 ... Kf8, then 10 ... Rg8 keeps the pressure on, but we couldn't find anything immediate. Note that it will take a l-o-n-g time for White to castle Queenside, while the Kingside is quite breezy, so 8. ed Bd6 would lead to a very interesting middlegame.
May-07-04  TrueFiendish: Greco could really have done with some decent competition.
May-08-04  iron maiden: Of course, the vast majority of the Greco-NN games were likely composed by Greco himself, just to show off his knowledge of opening traps.
May-09-04  TrueFiendish: It would appear then that he played no-one, at least no games that were recorded.
May-10-04  azaris: Would YOU play someone who wins all of their games and most of them in less than 20 moves? Not to mention ending up as another "look how this idiot fell into my trap" example in the annals of chess history.
May-10-04  TrueFiendish: I guess not.
Nov-20-04  Knight13: 8. Be2 should save the game. NN's comment might have been like this: "Wow! Greco just gave me a free pawn! What an idiot! I'll take it! .......... What!!!?? It was a trap!! Noooooo!... I resign. [Mad]"
Sep-28-05  SEMENELIN: at move 5. Ne5 Nh6 this should have been 5. Ne5 Qh4+
Nov-23-05  Chopin: This game is an illustration of how not to play the King's gambit.
Feb-04-06  Mate Hunter: Great Queentrap!
Sep-19-07  wolfmaster: NN even makes me look good...
Jan-26-08  wolfmaster: 8.exd5, maybe?
Oct-08-08  just a kid: I can do better against Greco than this patzer can!
Oct-31-08
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  mjmorri: These little games/compositions are amusing but also quite instructive.

They have probably been repeated may times through history.

Feb-24-10
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  TheTamale: NN: a reckless slugger with dynamite in both fists! Greco: the unperturbable counter-puncher. Styles make fights, and in this one, Greco wins the day. Against a lesser foe, NN might have scored a quick knockout. I liken this game to the Royce Gracie vs. Gerard Gordeau final bout in UFC 1. Gordeau, the favorite, came out swinging, but he was outclassed by a more well-rounded fighter. Better luck next time, NN!
Oct-04-11  Joon9774: I think there is no chance to save the queen but white got plenty of moves to give a steep fight.

9. xb7 xd1
10. xa8 g4
11. f1 xc2
12. d4 etc...

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