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| dbquintillion: <drjimmy>
or: even someone who didn't know robert fischer from a hole in the ground would be able to solve this puzzle. |
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| Jan-15-05 |
| dbquintillion: <drjimmy>
how about: i only learned last week that the mysterious "castling" maneuver was permitted in chess, and yet i solved this puzzle instinctively without looking past the first move. |
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| Jan-15-05 |
| boyhimud: nya hahahaha what a nice laugh for me thanks dbquintillion |
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| Jan-15-05 |
| be3292: <dbquintillion> and I bet your real name is Alavkin. |
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| Jan-15-05 |
| be3292: <dbquintillion> or could it be that your iguana is really a ventriloquist and you are his dummy? |
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| Jan-15-05 |
| chopbox: Isn't 21.Bc2+ winning without any messing around?
One possible line for Black is 21...Kh8 22.Qxe8 (threatening mate with 23.Qxf8) 22...Bf5 (or anywhere else, to defend f8 with R on a8), 23.Qxa8, followed by 24. Qxf8 # Another possible line for Black (still losing, but pretty) is to move the B on c8 right away to save the N on e8: 21... Bf5 22.Qxf5 Ng6 (if 22...g6 23.Qxf8 Nf6 [or Ng7] 24.Bxg6 #) 23.Qf8 Nf6 (or 24.Qg8 #) 24.Bxg6 # I know these two don't exhaust Black's choices but what else is there? He's toast, no? |
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| Jan-15-05 |
| Novice713: I figured that Qh5 and the knight check would be in there, but not in that order. I was expecting a short combination. After 19. N5g6+ Black loses his rook, and then both his knights, so he must be almost lost. |
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| Jan-15-05 |
| northernsoul: doesn't 17.  5g6+ win straight away? |
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| Jan-15-05 |
| InfiniteWombat: No, 17.Ng6+ gx6 18.Ng6+ Qxg6. |
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| Jan-15-05 |
| vangogh228: chopbox: Well, yes and no.
If
21. Bc2+ Kh8?
Then
22. Qf7!
and Black IS toast.
But, it takes much more effort if
21. Bc2+ g6
because, then, it's something like
22. Bxg6+ Kg7
23. Bxe8 Be6
24. Nf5+ Bxf5
25. Qf7+ Kh8
26. Qf6+ Kh7
27. Qxf5+ Kg8
28. Qf7+ Kh8
29. Qxf8+ Kh7
30. Qf7+ Kh8
31. Qf6+ Kg8
32. Bf7+ Kh7
33. Qg6+ Kh8
34. Qxh6#
I can't vouch for the efficiency of this line. I was just playing around after move 25. |
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| kevin86: Another case where the knights dance around like a ballet. |
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| Jan-15-05 |
| northernsoul: ah yes - was thinking of a check on h5 from the queen but of course the pawn defends that square... |
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| JohnBoy: To <chessgames> - Pat Wolff gives two puzzles from games that would make very nice contributions here. Check out http://www.wolffchess.com/demo.html Great job - and thanks <dbquint> and <drjimmy> for the great humor. Lots of ego padding at these puzzles. I vastly prefer the talk about chess. And, by the way, I've unearthed a fossil bed clearly indicating that this puzzle was solved by euglenae several hundred million years before the central nervous system evolved. |
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| Jan-15-05 |
| drjimmy42: Thanks guys. I feel much better now since my 13 month old nephew took countless seconds to puzzle this one out. I was afraid I was going to have to tell my brother that his son had a learning disability or something. |
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| Jan-15-05 |
| white pawn: I got the first few moves, but I didn't see the whole way through. I guess that doesn't mean anything though. |
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| Jan-15-05 |
| ice lemon tea: i wonder why white didn't take the black rook...it would be a lot much easier to win instead... |
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| patzer2: My solution was 17. Bd5! After 17. Bd5! Qh3 18. Nxc8! Rxc8 19. Qd3! f3 (19...Qxd3 20. Nxf3 Nd8 21. Bxf4  )
20. Rg1 Rd8 21. Rg3 Black must give up decisive material for a winning White advantage. |
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| Jan-15-05 |
| chopbox: Thanks, VanGogh228, for your message.
Your reply in the 21...Kh8 line (22.Qf7) is an improvement to my idea of 22.Qxe8 as it shortens checkmate in that line by one move. Your second point, giving your line after 21...g6, also demonstrates a pretty much forced checkmate for White. (By the way, in this line, checkmate appears on move 34, but you could reduce that by a move or two if White takes the knight on f8 on move 26 and the bishop on move 27.) In short, then, in all these lines, everything's just boom, boom, boom, with checkmate within a few forced moves. In the game as played, Black resigns before his 29th move, as he is down some material, but the checkmate which would have ended this game had it continued is not within sight. So, and this is my main point, it still seems to me that White should have played 21.Bc2+, instead of 21.Qxc8 as he did. |
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| patzer2: An expanded analysis of 17.  h5! puzzle solution, verified and checked with Fritz 8, follows:17. h5! xh1+
[(A) 17...g6 18. N7xg6+ Kg8 19. Nxf8 Qxh1+ 20. Ke2 Qe4+ 21. Kd2 N8g7 22. Qf7+ Kh8 23. Bxe6 Bxe6 24. Nxe6 Nxe6 25. Qxe6 Qg2 26. Qf6+ Kg8 27. Qf7+ Kh8 28. Ke2 Qe4+ 29. Be3 Qc2+ 30. Kf3 Qxb2 31. Qf6+ Kg8 32. Rg1#] [(B) 17...Qe4+ 18. Kd2 g5 (18...Nf6 19. N5g6+ Qxg6 20. Nxg6+ ; 18...h6 Bd5 ) 19. Bc2 trapping the Queen] [(C) 17...Nf6 18. N5g6+ Qxg6 19. Nxg6+ Kg8 20. Ne7+ winning the Queen] [(D) 17...h6 18. Bd5 Nf6 19. N5g6+ Kh7 20. Qf5 (20. Bxg2 Nxh5 21. Be4 Rf6 22. Nxf4+ Kh8 23. Nxh5 ; 20. Nxf8+ Nxf8 21. Bxg2 Nxh5 22. Be4+ g6 23. Nxc8 Rxc8 24. Bxb7 ) 20...Qg4 21. Nxf8+ Kh8 22. Nfg6+ Kh7 23. Qc2! Qg5 24. h4 Qh5 25. Nxf4+ Kh8 26. Nxh5 winning the Queen and more] [(E) 17...g5 18. Bd5 f3 19. Qh6! Qxh1+ 20. Kd2 Rf6 21. N5g6+ Rxg6 22. Nxg6+ Kg8 23. Qf8#] 17. h5! xh1+ 18.  d2
[(F) not 18. Ke2? Nxd4 19. cxd4 Qe4+ 20. Kf1 (20. Kd1?? Bg4+!  ; 20. Kd2?? Qxd4+ ; 20. Be3 Bf5 =) 20...Qh1+ 21. Ke2 Qe4+ 22. Kf1 Qh1+ 23. Ke2 = with a draw by threefold repetition] 17. h5! xh1+ 18. d2 h6
[(g) 18...Qe4 (18...Qg1 and 18...Qg2 are also met by) 19. N5g6+ Qxg6 20. Nxg6+ Kg8 21. Ne7+ and White wins easily] 17. h5! xh1+ 18. d2 h6 19. 5g6+ h7 20. xf8+ is the winning game continuation. [(h) a stronger winning alternative is 20. Bxe6! Bxe6 21. Nxf8+ Kh8 22. Qg6 Bg8 23. Qf5 Qg2 24. Neg6+ Qxg6 25. Nxg6+ Kh7 26. Nxf4+ Kh8 27. Ng6+ Kh7 28. Ne7+ Kh8 29. Qf8 Nf6 30. Qxa8 with White's awesome Queen and Knight windmill mopping up clearly decisive material.] |
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| patzer2: <chopbox> Your 21. c2+ does seem efficient, winning <without messing around>. My analysis with Fritz 8 goes 21.  c2+ h8 [21...g6 22. Bxg6+ Kg7 23. Bxe8 Qg2 (23...Be6 24. Qe5+ Kh7 25. Ba4 Qg2 26. Bc2+ Ng6 27. Bxg6+ Qxg6 28. Nxg6 ) 24. Qf7+ Kh8 25. Qxf8+ Kh7 26. Bg6+ ] 22. f7! e6 [22...Nf6 23. Qxf8+ Ng8 24. Qxg8#] 23. xf8+ g8 24. xg8# |
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| Jan-15-05 |
| vangogh228: So, patzer, what you're saying is my original post matches Fritz?? Well, that's a first... |
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| patzer2: <vangogh228> Pretty much yes. However, I do try to weed out a lot of meaningless computer type moves in the analysis (e.g. complex mate in 12 when a simple capture of material will work), preferring to focus on finding responses to the kinds of moves humans are likely to make. |
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Jan-15-05
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| RonB52734: Honestly, DrJimmy, I actually solved this one before my father's testicles were fully developed. Didn't you? |
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| Jan-16-05 |
| dbquintillion: i think johnboy wins the best "how easy was this puzzle" joke. this is especially discouraging because i had four chances. |
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| Jan-19-05 |
| Shah Mat: I solved this game for mate after 1. e4. |
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