|Sep-12-03|| ||cm2003: Was 6Qd1 the right move? I like 6Qxg7. I see losing the rook or mate. |
|Sep-12-03|| ||Doctor Who: 6. Qxg7 Bf6 |
|Sep-12-03|| ||cm2003: 7 Qxf7 1-0 |
|Sep-12-03|| ||Doctor Who: Oh!!! When you're right, you're right! |
|Mar-16-04|| ||Honza Cervenka: I guess that the order of moves in the opening was a little bit different. 4...Bd7 5.Bc4 Nc6 6.Qd1 Be7 etc. looks quite reasonable and much more probable. Can anybody here check any source of this game for correct gamescore? |
|Mar-16-04|| ||chessgames.com: I doubt that Morphy would have missed 6.Qxg7, but for what it's worth, chesslab.com has the same score as we do. |
|Mar-16-04|| ||Honza Cervenka: <chesslab.com has the same score as we do> I think that it proves that the chesslab.com got the game from the same source as you did. |
|Mar-16-04|| ||chessgames.com: Exactly. |
|Mar-11-05|| ||keypusher: I have Levy and O'Connell's book of 19th century chess games, which also attributes this win to Lowenthal. But I can't help but think that Morphy was black in this game. |
No disrespect to Lowenthal, a fine player who beat Morphy several times. But black's energy level in this game is much more like Morphy's than Lowenthal's.
|Mar-11-05|| ||crucify: i have seen this game and the winner is morphy. the game attributes here are wrong as with other games where morphy is the wrong color. |
|Mar-11-05|| ||aw1988: Morphy is the winner? Rather hard to believe. |
|Jan-10-06|| ||morpstau: well there is a resonable danger in snatching the g pawn and you know thats just not morphys style. if 7. qxg7 ...bf6 and the first player, no matter who it really was, has to be careful with her majesty as she will be in a pircarious position when she retreats! (( any comments?))|
|Jul-11-06|| ||ismetov: Morphy could lost ?! interesting.... not believing|
|Jul-11-06|| ||keypusher: <SBC>, can you shed any light on the provenance of this game? It was not from their match, I believe.|
|Jul-11-06|| ||SBC: <keypusher>
All I can add is that this game isn't found in Sergeant or Maroczy, but it does appear in Shibut's "Paul Morphy and the Evolution of Chess Theory" as game A44. By the date it was played during Morphy's first visit to England (he visited England again on his way home from France in 1859). Since Morphy left for France before the tournament at the Birmingham Meeting was over, and since Morphy's match with Lowenthal concluded just a week before that tournament, and during which match Lowenthal was ill, my guess would be that it was an off-hand game prior to their match, a time during which Morphy made himself available to playing anyone and everyone. (Maybe Lowenthal's success in this game gave him and his backers the impetus to challenge Morphy to a match?)
|Aug-18-06|| ||sneaky pete: <SBC> Lawson published this game in 1978 in the BCM: "Jean Dufresne contributed two of the L÷wenthal games in his <Schachfreund> of 1862." Oxford gives the 1909 edition of L÷wenthal's collection as its source. |
Both Lawson and Oxford give 4... Be7 and 6... Bd7, which may be based on a trancription mistake in the earliest publication by Dufresne. In the 8th match game L÷wenthal played 4... Bd7 5.Be3 Nf6 6.Nc3 Be7 7.Bc4 Nc6 etc.
|Dec-31-13|| ||Calli: Another "Not Morphy" is Morphy vs Loewenthal, 1858 which is really Owen-Boden 1857 (see Schachzeitung 1857, page 157) Dufresne messed up this badly!|
|Apr-19-16|| ||keypusher: <Calli: Another "Not Morphy" is Morphy vs Loewenthal, 1858 which is really Owen-Boden 1857 (see Schachzeitung 1857, page 157) Dufresne messed up this badly!>|
Thanks, <Calli>, I just saw this. This game has bothered me for a long while; nice to see I was correct that Morphy wasn't White, though I guess he wasn't Black, either.
Impressive play from Boden -- he was quite something.