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|Jan-28-06|| ||morpstau: Hey SBC how much American dollars is that sum equivelent to? 1000|
|Jul-01-06|| ||BIDMONFA: John Owen|
|Jul-01-07|| ||brankat: Nice to see such a detailed Biography of Mr.Owen Much more detailed than those of most of the leading GMs of the 20th century!?|
|Jul-01-07|| ||alter: Good to see Rev J.Owen being made player of the day. He isn't as well known as he should be - he had wins against Morphy, Anderssen & Steinitz to his credit. Also, Owen's Defence (1.e4 b6) is well worth a try in blitz games, it's much better than it's reputation.|
|Jul-01-07|| ||SwitchingQuylthulg: Yes, I think 1...b6! practically refutes 1.e4.|
|Jul-01-07|| ||Wilson H. L.: Probably the strongest amateur player in London, since he was able to beat some of the strongest player of his time. His win against Anderssen is a good example : Owen vs Anderssen, 1862|
Also, the game Owen vs. I R Nelson from 1986 was certainly played by another Owen.
|Jul-02-07|| ||alter: The interesting thing about John Owen is that he had a good understanding of ideas that were well ahead of his time, e.g. the importance of centre pawns and the bishop pair. But despite his impressive wins it has to be admitted that some of Owen's games are not very good . All in all he is a bit of a conundrum, the Basman of his day. As a fellow b6 fan I'd hope that SwitchingQuythulg will agree that Christian Bauer's book "Play 1...b6" is one of the best opening books available.|
|Jul-01-08|| ||FSR: Owen was an a--h---. He was completely obnoxious to Morphy, even when he was supposedly serving as a second to Morphy (not chosen by Morphy, weirdly enough) in Morphy's match against Lowenthal. When Morphy won, he would tell Morphy how lucky he had been, and offer encouragement to Lowenthal.|
|Jul-01-08|| ||gus inn: <alter> how come you are able to post
from the <2nd> of July ??|
There are different timezones , but still .. :)
|Jul-01-08|| ||xenophon: <gus inn: <alter> how come you are able to post from the <2nd> of July ??
There are different timezones , but still .. :)>
another place another year
|Jul-01-08|| ||Once: <gus inn> You might also ask how <alter> managed to post from beyond the grave ...|
I suppose there are some advantages to being a vicar, but I never imagined that it would include the ability to kibitz from the afterlife.
|Jul-01-09|| ||WhiteRook48: Hsppy birthday dude|
|Aug-02-09|| ||myschkin: . . .
@ <morpstau> Hey SBC how much American dollars is that sum [£1000] equivelent to?
|Apr-08-11|| ||Penguincw: Happy Birthday John Owen.|
|Jul-01-11|| ||kdogphs: Because of this man, I have to tell my students that 1)...b6 is not a good response to 1) e4!!!|
|Jul-01-11|| ||SwitchingQuylthulg: <kdogphs: Because of this man, I have to tell my students that 1)...b6 is not a good response to 1) e4!!!>|
|Jul-01-11|| ||keypusher: <SwitchingQuylthulg: <kdogphs: Because of this man, I have to tell my students that 1)...b6 is not a good response to 1) e4!!!>
You're making a believer out of me...
|Jul-01-11|| ||YoungEd: Owen to his openings, he didn't win as much as he might have.|
|Jul-01-11|| ||WhiteRook48: He beat Morphy with 1...b6, that's pretty good.|
|May-29-12|| ||GrahamClayton: Games 86, 87 and 88 are actually played by Richard Owen, who won the Utah State championship in 1958 at the age of 16.
In March 1959 Owen played simultaneous exhibitions on consecutive weekends, finishing with a score of +209, -6, =0.|
|Apr-08-14|| ||juan31: Excelente fotografia, del Maestro Jhon Woen.|
|Oct-14-15|| ||The Kings Domain: Nice photo. The dogs were cute. :-)|
|Jan-15-16|| ||SimplicityRichard: <FSR: Owen was an a... h....>|
<SBC: "Were it not for my position, I would willingly play for £1,000.>
It is indeed surprising that a so called "man of the cloth" can have such an obnoxious attitude, and with such crude words forming at his lips.
|Jan-15-16|| ||zanzibar: <FSR> what's the source for your comments on Owen's behavior towards Morphy?|
<SimplicityRichard> well, chess is rather a competitive game, and has no shortage of examples of overconfidence.
At the time, the practice of laying wages on a match was common, and might just be a measure or yardstick of such confidence.
And don't forget, Owen was one of Morphy's first opponents when he arrived in Europe, right after his match with Barnes. Owen's comment may have been made after seeing Morphy's substandard results against Barnes (supposedly due to the effects of the long ocean voyage and acclimatization).
<When Morphy first arrived [before going to Streatham], he played Barnes a series of 26 games. During the first ten games, they alternated wins. This surprising occurrence led many spectators to believe that Morphy's reputation had been greatly overstated. As the match progressed and as Morphy started to recover from the effects of his trip and from the illness that affected him when he first arrived, the balance shifted dramatically eventually giving Morphy 19 wins to Barnes' 7 wins. Barnes could boast of having the best results against Morphy than any other opponent.
While waiting for Staunton's "month of preparation" to pass, Morphy visited all the London chess clubs but tended to gravitate toward Simpson's Grand Divan. Although he made himself constantly available for chess and played casual games against most of London's strongest players (of which he considered Boden the strongest), Staunton always managed to elude him. On July 3, Morphy played a series of three games with Alter - John Owen. Owen won the first and Morphy won the final two. Later they played two more games which Morphy won.>
|Jan-15-16|| ||zanzibar: Unfortunately most of the links batgirl refs in the above link are stale. As is <SBC>'s link to batgirl's material.|
I'm sure they're out there, somewhere.
I may be a bit biased by his good performance at <London (1862)>, but wondering about his overall contemporaneous reputation given the sullying on this page, I went and found this:
Fabrizio Zavatarelli in his <Ignaz Kolisch: The Life and Chess Career (2015)> p81 writes:
<John Owen (1827–1901) never played abroad, but was nonetheless one of those chess warriors who did his country honor in the nineteenth century. >
And his obituary in BCM Jan 1902 p16 doesn't mention him being an a--h---- a single time, instead closing with this:
< Mr. Owen possessed a tall commanding figure, and was of a very
friendly and genial disposition. He was never put out of temper by defeat, and in success made every allowance for the errors of his opponent, so that it was always a pleasure to play with him. He was an inveterate smoker, to which was attributed by some his evenness of temper, but we think it should rather be ascribed to his natural disposition and self-control. He was a true-hearted friend to those who knew him, and we do not think he ever made an enemy. He was certainly firm in his own opinions. but quite open to conviction whenever they were shown to be wrong.
Requiescat in pace,
Resurgat in gloria. C.E.R.
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