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Norbert Heck vs Jakob Gotlibovich Meister
"Heck, no!" (game of the day Sep-18-2005)
75th German Championship (2004), Hoeckendorf GER, rd 1, Jan-30
Queen Pawn Game: Symmetrical Variation. Pseudo-Catalan (D02)  ·  0-1


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Sep-18-05  The Backward Pawn: Around move 64 once white protects his C pawn, I think that perhaps if white managed to blockade blacks f-pawn with his rook as opposed to his king would give him better drawing chances, the rook would not be able to be kicked out, and if there was an exchange of rooks im pretty sure it would be a draw.

what do you think? also note its late and I didnt really search hard for an optimal time to move the rook to f4, but im sure anywhere from move 65-70 or so.

Sep-18-05  The Backward Pawn: pengluming while you may be first at least i tried to give some relevant comments as opposed to just saying first and being done with it. Either way, you beat me. I'm going to bed.
Sep-18-05  Hidden Skillz: use an ignore button =) then you will be first heh
Sep-18-05  EmperorAtahualpa: yuck, I hate zugzwang games like this...
Sep-18-05  Oprah: Pengluming is an idiot!!
Sep-18-05  pengluming: so many people are doing this, why me an idiot?
Just for fun.
Anyway, this game is not an very interesting game among "game of the day"
Sep-18-05  gomickeylol: <> Did you guys just pick this game for the funny title? (Heck, no)
Sep-18-05  gomickeylol: Just kiddin :P
Sep-18-05  Eric Xanthus: Isn't it 71.Rh6 that loses the draw for white? Or at least is the beginning of his end?
Sep-18-05  Bobwhoosta: This game is instructive, not all games involve flashbang tactics, some necessitate slow manuever, and if you get into that type of position with no understanding you will lose just as readily as the one who gets into an open position with no understanding of tactics.
Sep-18-05  who: <Eric> according to Fritz 79.Kf2 leaves white with drawing chances.
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  kevin86: It looked ok for white until he penetrated into black's camp;there he found no weaknesses,while exposing many of his own.

He set a neat trap at move 62-when ... ♔xb4 is met by 63 c6+ ♔moves 64 cxb7 and wins at least the rook

Too bad his play goes down after that-heck!!

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  WannaBe: What a titanic struggle!! Beyond words.
Sep-18-05  filipecea: Its funny.. But if you run quickly over the moves played in a closed game like this one, your first impressions is that the players are just doing random moves as if they don't have a clue of what are actually happening...
Sep-18-05  alexandrovm: Actually it's a nice finale, done why black. The bishops doing "weird" moves, becuase of the cramped center, very interesting. The kings also performed an important rule here, black's king invation was the final blow
Sep-18-05  cade: I have a new policy, i put everyone who says first on ignore immediately. Then i don't know if they even posted so it's perfect.
Sep-18-05  pengluming: I am sorry if my post made you unhappy. I usually don't do that.

BobWhoosta, I agree you are right. But I enjoy chess in a different way. I am sure my knowledge in chess is way below you. But I am not doing research in chess and I like only those games with "flashbang tactics". I think I want to keep it that way. Thanks

Sep-18-05  backyard pawn: Heck of a game for Mister Meister. White must lose both his bishop and his rook (and the game).
Sep-19-05  moiz: the way "flashbang tactics" are spoken of, it would seem they do not require any brillance on the part of the player making those moves, most games that take our breath away are the short games, aren't they?
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  kevin86: A titanic struggle,until white hit the ice!!
Sep-20-05  PaulLovric: <cade: I have a new policy, i put everyone who says first on ignore immediately. Then i don't know if they even posted so it's perfect> you are a genius, with extraordinary intellectual and creative powers
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  Sneaky: If you configure your account like I have, to show the new messages at the top of the screen, the "first club" is far less obnoxious, since it actually comes last in sequence. You get to read all the real kibitzing then finally see some schmuck say "first" when you get to the bottom.

I wrote to chessgames and told them that they should make that option the default. I suspect that very few people have selected that option ("show newest posts on top") but once you try it, you'll never go back. Chessgames told me that reverse-order messages confuse people so they should have to ask for it if the want it. Cest la vie.

Sep-20-05  square dance: <sneaky> <If you configure your account like I have, to show the new messages at the top of the screen...> i thought i was the only one. ;-)
Sep-20-05  EmperorAtahualpa: <sneaky> <square dance> Hey I didn't even know about that option. Thanks guys!
Feb-23-09  WhiteRook48: Heck, why did white lose that bishop?
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