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|Nov-05-05|| ||sharpnova: everything was very forced. a very pretty game.. but not a very creative puzzle|
|Nov-05-05|| ||Saruman: <Georgie Dubb> I thought this was easier than yesterday's puzzle because then there were many sidelines to calculate, among those lines there were some that I had to spend a lot of time to figure out.|
In this one, however, white can easily punish black if he plays something else than the text. Also each move is made with check (except if Kf8 Nf4 ). This was mainly due to the fact that I had the idea of Rxg6+ and Rf7+ from the start.
|Nov-05-05|| ||aginis: i don't see a win after 26...Kf8 27.Nf6 Qe6! 28.Qh8+ Kf7 29.Nxe8 Rxe4 |
|Nov-05-05|| ||Saruman: <aginis> As pointed out 26.-Kf8 27.Nf4 and black has to sac his queen to avoid Nxg6#.|
|Nov-05-05|| ||Dionyseus: <aginis> <i don't see a win after 26...Kf8 27.Nf6 Qe6! 28.Qh8+ Kf7 29.Nxe8 Rxe4 >|
After 26...Kf8, white mates in 9 with 27.Nf4 Qf5 28.exf5 Rxf4 29.fxg6 e5 30.g7+ ke7 31.g8Q Kd8 32.Qgg7 Rf7 33.Qxf7 Re7 34.Qxe7+ Kc7 35.Qc7 mate
|Nov-05-05|| ||Grand73Am: How does white win after black plays Re1+?|
|Nov-05-05|| ||ughaibu: 36.Kh2|
|Nov-05-05|| ||robertbj: What is wrong with 24.Qxh7ch K-f8 25 Q-h8++
|Nov-05-05|| ||euripides: <robert> 24...Kxh7.|
|Nov-05-05|| ||Grand73Am: of course white goes Kh2, but black seems to have enough play afterward to continue. I just don't see what was so advantageous about 35.Qd6 to cause black to resign at that point. Maybe black just decided at that point that his 2 rooks could not stop white's queen side pawns from advancing.|
|Nov-05-05|| ||Saruman: After 35.Qd6 the endgame is very hard to defend (objectively lost). For instance white seem to be able to win PB5 by force. And as long as he keep an eye on g2 the queenside pawns will lead him to victory. Another serious weakness is that the king and only protecting pawn is very unsafe. The queen can continue the harassment by checking; forcing the king to bad squares.|
Black's game is very fragile, the best move seems to be 35.-Rfe4. If 35.-Rff2 36.Qg3+ and Qxf2 winning.
35.-Rfe4 36.Qd3 capturing the b5 pawn, and then the pawns will go up the board.
|Nov-05-05|| ||Dionyseus: <snowie1> <...about the blunder of Ne3..Qc8, 29.Ng4+..moving the K to f4 is disasterous, so, Qxg4 30.hxg4. Can you say it's still a draw?>|
Why is moving the king to f4 disastrous? Black is fine.
|Nov-05-05|| ||snowie1: How about 28.Ne3..Qc8 (<Dionyseus>) 29.Ng4+..Kf4 30.Qf7+..Kg3 31.Qf3+..Kh4 31.g3+ (if Kxh3 32.Nf2# so, Kg5 32.h4+ if Kh5 33.Ne5 dis +..Kh6 34.Qf4+..Kh7 35.Qf7..K(either h8 Ng6#) h6 36.Qg6# I don't see another escape. If 30...Kxe4 31.Qf3 mates immediately. What am I missing?|
|Nov-05-05|| ||Dionyseus: <snowie1> <How about 28.Ne3..Qc8 29.Ng4+..Kf4 30.Qf7+..Kg3 31.Qf3+..Kh4 31.g3+ (if Kxh3 32.Nf2# so, Kg5 32.h4+ if Kh5 33.Ne5 dis +..Kh6 34.Qf4+..Kh7 35.Qf7..K(either h8 Ng6#) h6 36.Qg6# I don't see another escape. If 30...Kxe4 31.Qf3 mates immediately. What am I missing?>|
Well first of all in your line after 30...kg3?? , 31.Qf2 is mate!
Second, instead of 30...Kg3 black should play Kg5, white must then settle for a perpetual check otherwise they'll just be at least a rook down. For example if white tries 31.Ne3, black plays Rf8 32.Qxe7+ Kg6 33.Nxc4 bxc4 34.Qxd6+ Rf6 35.Qg3+ Kf7 36.Qe5 Qc6 and white cannot possibly hang on to that e pawn so it would be two pawns versus black's rook, black should win.
|Nov-05-05|| ||deepsix: you all simply must get a life!|
|Nov-05-05|| ||greyfox: hope to understand your discussion one of these days....~_^|
|Nov-05-05|| ||patzer2: <deepsix> Please observe rule three of the posting guidelines (no personal attacks against other users).|
|Nov-05-05|| ||snowie1: Thanks <Dionyseus>, Great catch; Qf2#! Okay finally, 30...Kg5 31.g3..and black Rf8 huh? 32.Qg7+..Kh5 33.Qh6# What did I lose sight of this time? Maybe in view of g3, R may wish to be placed somewhere else...but if so, Qf5# again.|
|Nov-05-05|| ||Dionyseus: <snowie1> <Great catch; Qf2#! Okay finally, 30...Kg5 31.g3..and black Rf8 huh? 32.Qg7+..Kh5 33.Qh6# What did I lose sight of this time? Maybe in view of g3, R may wish to be placed somewhere else...but if so, Qf5# again.>|
Well after 31.g3, Rf8 would be a horrible blunder. Instead, black must play 31...Rxe4 and white is forced to draw by perpetual check. For example if white tries something crazy like 32.Nf2, black wins with Re1+ 33.Kh2 Rg8 34.g4 Rh8 35.Qd5 Kh4 36.Qd4 Rf8 37.g5+ Kh5 38.Kg3 Qa8 39.Qh4+ Kg8 40.Qh6+ Kf5 41.Qh7+ Ke6 and white is mated soon
|Nov-05-05|| ||midknightblue: I missed every problem that i tried this week, even monday. Oh well, at least this time i took a good look at 24. Rxf7+ and 24. Rxg6+. It is just that I couldn't see the combination that followed from Rxg6+.|
|Nov-05-05|| ||Dionyseus: <snowie> <Okay, I have to pick it up from
31..Rxe4 32. Qg7+..Kf5 33.Nh6+..Ke6 34.Qg6+ There's no loss, but it's now looking like a draw partner.>|
It's not a draw, it's a loss for white. After 34.Qg6+ black plays Kd5 and there's no perpetual check for white. For example 35.Qg5+ Kc6 white has run out of checks and is two rooks down!
|Nov-06-05|| ||CHEG: <Frankly> Frankly, I saw the same move (24 Nf6). Unfortunately if 24 Nf6 then 24 ... exf6 25 Qxf6+ Kf8 and the king has e7 if Qh8+|
|Nov-06-05|| ||Richard Taylor: I solved this problem - the only lissue was -was the two rooks = to the Q? But I could see White would get suffiecnt pawns.|
|Nov-06-05|| ||Richard Taylor: Oops! I missed 26. ..Kf8 lol Saw everything else (I hope!)|
|Jan-01-07|| ||Phony Benoni: For anybody wondering why Black resigned, apparently he didn't. If I'm reading my Spanish edition of "Selected games of Ragozin" correctly, Black lost on time.|
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