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|Jan-07-05|| ||karlzen: <Hinchliffe>, indeed, the national. My "old foe's" name is Kezli Ong. His development has been very rapid the last few years but I've always known that he had it in him. Myself, I'm far from as good as him these days but I was his equal back in the good old days when training was not yet an issue. I believe I lack the discipline to train hard enough, but I try to. Admittedly I'm sure he has always been the more talented of us. |
|Feb-01-05|| ||MoonlitKnight: Was the rook sacrifice on move 29 bad?
"Let's not talk about details! Shirov made a mistake and was punished. Sometimes the position demands that one leaves a rook en prise. Magnus has the intuition to take such decisions. A great game, that's all there is to say about it."
- Garry Kasparov
|Feb-01-05|| ||azaris: What was up with Shirov in this tournament? All through the first rounds he played like a man without will, doing manoeuvres like Nb8-c6-b8-c7 and Bf8-e7-f8-g7 as if he were Petrosian on Prozac. Was he burnt out, bored, scared, indifferent or what? Finally in the last rounds he got into gear and beat up some youngsters (Johannessen, Stefanova, Macieja) but it still wasn't a very convincing effort. |
|Feb-01-05|| ||MoonlitKnight: A Norwegian top player recalls a little talk he had with GM Alexander Lugovoi after this game in a Norwegian chess magazine. |
- Shirov made a terrible blunder, he said.
-Yes, you mean the Be4 move? the Norwegian asked.
- No, no, no, Lugovoi replied.
- Oh, you think he should have accepted the rook sacrifice?
- No, no, no. He didn't dare to play the Marshall. You must never get afraid of your opponent. Then you will lose!
Earlier, Lugovoi had talked to Shirov, who had admitted that he was afraid of playing the Marshall against Carlsen, because of the young boy's extraordinary memory.
|Feb-09-05|| ||acirce: Thanks for that <MoonlitKnight>. On http://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt... I got the opportunity to ask Shirov about the game:|
<I think I saw 31.Qe2 during the game, please dont' forget that the position is extremely complicated without chess engine at hand. Funnily I chose my moves in order to avoid possible blunders and when the job was done I played Be4?? instead of Rf8 that would lead to a draw or more ambitious Bc8. Still I think it was a good game, probably my best in that tournament if we forget about the blunder. I only discussed the position before the blunder with Carlsen, afterwards he went to the audience.>
|Mar-29-05|| ||Boomie: <karlzen> Thanks for some terrific analysis of this wonderful position. I am missing something in the 31. ♕e2 line. Can't black just play ♕h4 attacking the ♘ and that pesky ♗ and protecting g4? The whole line runs 29...dxe3 30. gxh7+ ♘xh7 31. ♕e2 ♕h4 and if 32. ♘f5 ♕f2+ 33. ♕xf2 exf2+ 34. ♔xf2 ♗xe5. If 32. ♕xe3 ♖xe5. Better for white seems to be 31. ♕d4 ♕e6 32. ♘f5 ♖ac8 33. ♕g4+ ♕g6 34. ♘e7+ ♖xe7 35. ♕xc8+ ♗xc8 36. ♗xg6 ♗d7 37. ♗c2 ♖xe5 |
|Mar-29-05|| ||de schaar: what exactly is the continuation? |
|Mar-29-05|| ||Boomie: OOPS. My note is based on the wrong position. I had the white rook on c1 instead of f1. Dislexia strikes again. |
|Jul-14-05|| ||ryanpd: Do not rely on Fritz here. Shredder 9 is no doubt the best engine for understanding this kind of position.|
It thinks the sacrifice is unsound, by the way.
|Dec-03-05|| ||abro: Fantastic Game ... very tactical ... and worth analysing ...|
|Apr-28-06|| ||babakova: All sacrifices are sound til proven otherwise...|
|Apr-28-06|| ||Peligroso Patzer: For the information of anyone who may be interested, this game is annotated by Shirov in Chess Informant (92/350). He gives both players' 29th moves a "?". His main alternative line at Black's 29th goes: 29. ... dxe3 30. gxh7 Nxh7 31. Qe2 Bxe5 32. Bxh7+ Kxh7 33. Qh5 e2!! 34. Rxf7+ Qxf7 35. Qxf7+ Kxh6 36. Qh5+! Kg7 37. Nxe2, which he evaluates as minus over plus ("Black has the upper hand.") All of Shirov's alternative lines in which White varies from the above sequence end with an assessment of minus:plus ("Black has a decisive advantage.") I have also experimented with various lines starting with 29. ... dxe3, and all of them end up with positions that look favorable to winning for Black. Although even analysis from super-GM Shirov may not necessarily be definitive, I am inclined to believe that whatever "soundness" there was to White's Rook sacrifice was in the realm of psychology.|
|Apr-28-06|| ||Peligroso Patzer: One further observation: Although this was in many respects a fascinating game, and overall possibly the “most interesting” game in Informant #92, it did not receive any votes for the list of the 10 best games in that volume. The game that appears just ahead of it (92/349: J. Polgar vs. I. Sokolov, Wijk aan Zee 2005; 1-0) was awarded 8th place on that list and received one first-place vote (from Beliavsky).|
|Mar-10-09|| ||KingG: It's strange to recall how afraid Shirov was of Carlsen's memory. Nowadays Carlsen doesn't play many particularly theoretical lines, and his memory is hardly ever mentioned at all.|
|Jun-05-09|| ||Kinghunt: Doesn't 36... Raf8! save the position, and, if anything, leave black with the advantage? I cannot find any way for white to make progress after this move.|
|Oct-02-09|| ||Landman: In another thread <Sbetsho> posted a link to a picture of this game, just before Shirov resigned. http://www.chesskidsny.com/images/c...|
|Oct-02-09|| ||Sbetsho: Yay! Go me.|
|Oct-02-09|| ||Sbetsho: I have always loved that picture. You can really see the frustration Shirov feels.|
|Nov-23-09|| ||siamesedream: http://www.tromso2014.no/bilder/Mag...|
|Sep-26-13|| ||ChessYouGood: Great pic - Mag is wearing a fleecy hoody from Lowes and drinking orange cordial as he crushes one of the world's top grandmasters. love it.|
|Aug-27-17|| ||clement41: A-ma-zing ruy lopez by an attacking Magnus|
|Aug-27-17|| ||HeMateMe: what's Carlsen, age 13 in this game? yikes!|
|Sep-06-18|| ||cormier: if: 29...dxRe3
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Analysis by Houdini 4 Pro w32: d 23 dpa done, if: 29...dxRe3
<1. - / + (-1.08): 30.gxh7+> Nxh7 31.Qe2 Bxe5 32.Qg4+ Kh8 33.Nf5 Rg8 34.Nxe7 Rxg4 35.hxg4 e2 36.Re1 Re8 37.Nf5 Bc3 38.Kf2 Bxe1+ 39.Kxe1 Bxg2 40.axb5 axb5 41.Bd3 Bc6 42.Bg7+ Kg8 43.Bb2 Re6 44.Nd4 Rd6 45.Kxe2 Bd7 46.Nf5 Ra6 47.Ke3 Ng5 48.b4 Ne6 49.Be4 Ra4 50.Bc3 Ra3 51.Kd2 Kf8 52.Bf6 Nc7 53.Be5 Ne8 54.Bd4 f6 55.Bb2 Rb3 56.Bd4 Bxf5 57.Bxf5 Kf7 58.Bc5
2. - + (-2.75): 30.gxf7+ Qxf7 31.Bxe3 Qd5 32.Nf5 Re6 33.Nh6+ Rxh6 34.Bxh6 Qxd2 35.Bxd2 Bxe5 36.Re1 Bd4+ 37.Kh2 Ng6 38.Bb4 bxa4 39.bxa4 Rd8 40.Re2 Be5+ 41.g3 Nh4 42.Kg1 Nf3+ 43.Kf2 Bd4+ 44.Kf1 Rd7 45.Re8+ Kg7 46.Bb3 Kg6 47.Bc2+ Kh6 48.Bf5 Rc7 49.Bd3 Kh5 50.Rf8
|Sep-06-18|| ||cormier: |
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Analysis by Houdini 4: d 20 dpa done
1. = (0.00): 29.Ree1 Bxe5 30.Ne4 Nd7 31.b4 Bd5 32.Bf4 Bc4 33.fxg6 fxg6 34.Bxe5 Nxe5 35.Nf6+ Kg7 36.Nxe8+ Rxe8 37.Qxd4 Bxf1 38.Rxf1 Rd8 39.Qe3 bxa4 40.Bxa4 Rd3 41.Qf2 Rc3 42.Bc2 Qxb4 43.Qf6+ Kh6 44.Qxe5 Rxc2 45.Qe3+ Kg7 46.Qa7+ Kh6 47.Qe3+ Kg7
2. = (-0.04): 29.Re2 Bxe5 30.axb5 axb5 31.Bd3 Qc7 32.Bxb5 d3 33.fxg6 hxg6 34.Bxe8 Rxe8 35.Rxe5 Rxe5 36.Bxf8 Kxf8 37.Qxd3 Kg7 38.Qc4 Qxc4 39.bxc4 Rc5 40.Rc1 Bd5 41.Kf2 Rxc4 42.Rxc4 Bxc4 43.Ne4 Bd5 44.Nc5 Kf6 45.g4 g5 46.Ke3 Kg6 47.Nd3 Bg2 48.h4 gxh4 49.Nf4+ Kg5
(, inc 07.09.2018)
|Apr-01-19|| ||Cobax12: Lots of mistakes in this match due to time trouble... anyway, congrats to Magnus|
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