|Jan-28-05|| ||admiralnemo: could someone with a fritz or something check out if 54. Qg8+ is better than 54.Ra5+? my intuition tells me it could lead to a win, but i'm at work and don't have a board or chess computer to use. |
|Jan-28-05|| ||acirce: Incredibly, in spite of the official site's report that <The players later agreed that White missed a win with 54.Qg8+, instead of Kramnik's 54.Ra5+?>, Fritz finds no win there either. There is always something -- Black always saves himself by only moves. Just look at 54.Qg8+ Rg6 55.Qd8+ Rf6 56.Ra5+ Kg4 57.Qd4+ Kxg3 58.Rg5+ Kh2 and White "wins the rook" with 59.Qxf6+ but 59..Qf1+ 60.Qxf1 stalemate! Or 59.Rh5+ Kg2 60.Qxf6 Qe2+ wins back the rook. Or 58.Ra3+ Rf3 59.Qg7+ Kh2 60.Rxf3 Qe4+. Or this, or that.|
What is it with this stupid game -- it's impossible to win!
<euripides> illustrated though what I think is one missed win earlier: <my thought after 46 Kf5 was to get the king to h6 and the pawn to g6, using the opposition as needed. Then move the rook sideways and Black cannot take the a pawn because of back-rank mate threats. Then, having thus pinned the rook to the back rank, advance the a pawn and eventually play Rb8. But this seems so simple there must be a problem with it - perhaps the advance of the e pawn at the right moment interferes with the plan.> I don't think there is a problem with it after having played through some of the lines.
Another try is 51.Kc5 instead of 51.a6 but this is very tricky as well. I must look closer but it is a suggestion.
|Jan-28-05|| ||admiralnemo: thanks, acirce. might look at some of the other lines you mentioned when i get home. |
|Jan-28-05|| ||Hesam7: Is there an obvious reason why Kramnik did not played 42.h4 ? |
|Jan-28-05|| ||Strategic Joker: Hesam i think cause of Rd5 , but thats without calcs or anything just intuiton ^_^ |
|Jan-28-05|| ||SimonBrazil: The players later agreed that White missed a win with 54.Qg8+, instead of Kramnik's 54.Ra5+?.|
|Jan-28-05|| ||Gypsy: < Hesam7: Is there an obvious reason why Kramnik did not played 42.h4 > Not realy. At that time, it actually looked like a tossup between the two moves (h4 and hxg4), the key difference being that the h4 pawn is very safe while it stays put, yet still ties down one of the black pieces (king, most of the time). In turn, black g4 is still on the board. As for 42.h4 Rd5 43.Ke2..., it looks good for White I believe.|
I would prefer 42.h4 and I think it wins. Here is a plausible opening sequence: <42.h4 Kd4 43.Ke2 Ke4> (it looks suicidal for the e-wawn to move down from the 5-th rank while white king is nearby) <44.Ke1 Kd4 45.Kd2 Ke4 45.Kc3> and Black can not play 45...Kf3? for 46.Kb4+.
|Jan-28-05|| ||TIMER: Why not 63 Qf2+ Qf2 (otherwise Qh2 mate) 64 gf2+ followed by Rd1 winning the rook? |
|Jan-28-05|| ||suenteus po 147: <TIMER> Your pawn is backward in that line.... |
|Jan-28-05|| ||TIMER: Sorry, I forgot which way the pawn was going! |
|Jan-28-05|| ||Hesam7: Thank you <Gypsy> for detailed analysis. I thought there is some tactics that I do not see. I agree with you, at least 42.h4 is more natural compared to 42.hxg4 and creates a PPP (Protected Passed Pawn) |
|Jan-29-05|| ||euripides: <acirce> thanks for looking ! This would certainly be a first for me.... |
|Oct-13-05|| ||HardBoys: Amazing game. 41...g4!?, I suppose,
bring the crisis on at once? This is
like two games in one, the second
one the ending beginning on move 35.
|Jun-16-06|| ||Poisonpawns: Incredible game,I would swear white was winning at some point tho,but it is hard to see.|
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