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Moritz Porges vs Simon Winawer
"Porgy and Best" (game of the day Feb-17-2005)
DSB-07.Kongress (1892), Dresden GER, rd 10, Jul-25
Modern Defense: King Pawn Fianchetto (B06)  ·  0-1


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Feb-17-05  BlazingArrow56: Up and down game. I can't even figure out who shoulda won just be glancing at it.
Feb-17-05  nikolaas: I don't know either, but I do know that 20.Bd5 was a bas mistake.
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  Sneaky: Even though it loses the queen, I don't see anything better than 20.Bd5. If that's true, then the real question is, what was White's losing move?
Feb-17-05  Shams: if 19.Nf3 (instead of 19.Rd1) then simply 19...Bxf3 and 20...Qh4

but I think white had a better defensive try in 19.Nf1, which covers h2 and g3. white can occupy g3 (even at the cost of the pawn) if it allows him to force the bishops off on d5. black`s loose king gives white drawing chances, although I still think black should win. fun game.

morally speaking, white SHOULD lose. 3.c3 and 6.dxe5 make an ugly pair of moves. :)

Feb-17-05  paulgrow: It looks to me that white went wrong with 15.Rxf7?? It just doesn't work out.
Feb-17-05  Shams: <paulgrow> I don`t think it warrants two question marks, but it does open a can of worms. I would have gone for the simple 15.e6, myself.
Feb-17-05  Marvol: <Shams: morally speaking, white SHOULD lose. 3.c3 and 6.dxe5 make an ugly pair of moves.>

Right you are!
I would think that one plays ♙c3 to cover ♙d4, and to be able to capture back with that pawn, should it ever be necessary. Then, as soon as ♙d4 is attacked, white captures with it!? Leaving ♙c3 standing in the way doing nothing. Why play ♙c3 to begin with??

Feb-17-05  Shams: <marvol> that was pretty much my thinking as well.

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Feb-17-05  the quiet man: <Marvol ... who is your icon?>

The young Kramnik meets Harry Potter

Feb-17-05  Shams: <the quiet man> are you the same "the quiet man" who posts on
Feb-17-05  the quiet man: no ... that must be the invisible man of British politics, IDS. I'm just naturally quiet.
Feb-17-05  psalcido: Rxf7 does deserve a ?? in my opinion. It takes too many tempos in an open center game to recapture the rook without losing a piece: (Qb3, Bxf7) and then to get the bishop back to proper location is another, allowing Black to create mating threats. Black used in between moves to open up the center and force a quicker game upon seeing this, and then used his control of the a8-h1 diagonal to win the game. Therefore, Rxf7 (??) was simply too slow for this game, and was a total waste of time. If the Queen could have been moved to b3 with tempo, though, that would have been a different matter entirely.
Feb-17-05  tacite: I am new to chess and I do not understand white's move 19. Rd1. Could someone explain to me the benefit of such a move? It's seem to me that it's a bad development and a waste of time.
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  kevin86: It looks like white lost too much time with his exchange games at f7-meanwhile black was controlling territory and lines.

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Feb-17-05  Morphystyle: After 15 Rxf7 and Qb3 Shredder says black is ahead by 5 points (a rook). It also says 14 e6 was White's best chance giving more than a pawn advantage. Strangely enough after move 10, black has perfect play according to the silicon beast
Feb-17-05  Kingdumb: I ran the game through my trusty analysis program and until move 15. Rxf7 white has a significant advantage. After that is was downhill from there. According to the program white's next move should have been 15. e6. Have to wonder what was going through Porges mind on his 15th move.
Feb-17-05  Kingdumb: I reran the game changing move 15 to e6 and then let the computer take it from there. Here are the results.

1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. c3 b6 4. Bd3 Bb7 5. Ne2 e5 6. dxe5 Bxe5 7. O-O d6 8. Be3 Nd7 9. Nd2 a6 10. f4 Bg7 11. Bd4 Ngf6 12. e5 dxe5 13. fxe5 Nh5 14. Bc4 O-O 15. e6 fxe6 16. Bxe6+ Kh8 17. Rxf8+ Nxf8 18. Bg4 Qe7 19. Nc4 Qg5 20. Bxg7+ Kxg7 21. Nd4 Bd5 22. Nf5+ gxf5 23. Qxd5 Qxg4 24. Ne3 Qg5 25. Nxf5+ Kh8 26. Qxa8 Qxf5 27. Rf1 Qc5+ 28. Kh1 Kg7 29. Qxa6 Ng6 30. Qa4 Nf6 31. Qd1 h5 32. Qd3 Qe5 33. Kg1 Ng4 34. Qd4 Kh6 35. Qd2+ Kg7 36. Qd4 Kh6 37. Qd2+ Kg7 38. g3 Qc5+ 39. Qd4+ Qxd4+ 40. cxd4 Nf6 41. Kf2 h4 42. gxh4 Nxh4 43. Ke3 Ng6 44. Kd3 Kf7 45. Re1 Nd5 46. Kc4 c6 47. a4 Ngf4 48. Re4 Ng2 49. b4 Nge3+ 50. Kb3 Nf5 51. a5 Nd6 52. Re5 Nb5 53. Rxd5 cxd5 54. axb6 Nxd4+ 55. Kc3 Nc6 56. b7 Ke6 57. b5 d4+ 58. Kd3 Ne5+ 59. Kxd4 Nd7 60. h4 Kd6 61. h5 Kc7 62. h6 Nf6 63. Kc4 Kxb7 64. Kc5 Ne4+ 65. Kd4 Nf6 66. Kc5 Ne4+ 67. Kd4 Nf6 68. Kd3 Kb6 1/2-1/2

White never really gets an advantage but does manage to hang on for a draw. Certainly a better result than what actually transpired.

Feb-17-05  soberknight: <tacite> The point of 19 Rd1 was to protect White's knight at d2, which was attacked by Black's queen. It also threatens to exchange off Black's attacking bishop at e5 after 20 Nf3 Qe7 (forced). However, I agree with whoever said that 19 Nf1 was a better defensive move. :)
Feb-18-05  knightgerald: hi , there.i am new 2 this sit . my name is gerald .love you all
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Nov-11-05  tacite: <Soberknight> Thanks for the lesson. It is appreciated.
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