Members · Prefs · Collections · Openings · Endgames · Sacrifices · History · Search Kibitzing · Kibitzer's Café · Chessforums · Tournament Index · Players · Kibitzing

register now - it's free!
Alan Turing vs Alick Glennie
"Turing Test" (game of the day Jun-23-12)
Friendly game (1952)  ·  Vienna Game: Falkbeer Variation (C26)  ·  0-1
To move:
Last move:

Annotations by NN.      [53 more games annotated by NN]

explore this opening
find similar games more games of A Turing
PGN: download | view | print Help: general | java-troubleshooting

TIP: Press the button marked with a plus-sign (+) to automatically play the moves for "hands free" viewing.

PGN Viewer:  What is this?
For help with the default chess viewer, please see the Pgn4web Quickstart Guide.

Kibitzer's Corner
< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 4 OF 4 ·  Later Kibitzing>
Jun-23-12  jahhaj: <Sneaky> This is Turing's actual algorithm, or have you just made it up? What's your source?
Jun-23-12  jahhaj: A quick google provides this link http://chessprogramming.wikispaces.....
Premium Chessgames Member
  Sneaky: Sorry for not giving a source, I was copying-and-pasting this link

(It in turn cites the book "Kasparov versus Deep Blue: Computer Chess Comes of Age," by Monty Newborn, page 24.)

Premium Chessgames Member
  xreny: it´s remarkable this game was played for an ancient Paper computer !!!
Premium Chessgames Member
  Sneaky: It's also worth quoting: <Champernowne later said 'they were a bit slapdash about all this and must have made a number of slips since the arithmetic was extremely tedious with pencil and paper'. In a CCC forum post, Frederic Friedel mentioned a search depth of up to three plies. > http://chessprogramming.wikispaces....

"They were a bit slapdash about all of this" ... haha, that makes me smile. You gotta love how our friends across the pond talk.

Jun-23-12  himadri: except the queens last kamakazi attack the game is fine. I think Turing still has a draw after 29.Qxb5. This means the algorithm is ok the search ply has to be improved.
Jun-23-12  jahhaj: <Sneaky> Thanks. Also worth saying that this is a reconstruction of the algorithm, the original seems to be lost.
Jun-23-12  jahhaj: Reading the above link again, amazingly you can get the Turing algorithm as an engine for Fritz! I love it.
Premium Chessgames Member
  scormus: Let us imagine Mr Glennie was in another room, and the only input he received was the moves being bed back to him by some servant.

With the knowledge he had at the time, would he be able to determine whether the W move were chosen solely by an algorithm or was there some human intervention?

Perhaps this question is rather relevent today, and even more in contexts other than chess ;)

Jun-23-12  GlennOliver: The reproduction of this game on Der Spiegel website -

- has additional annotations.

It is not certain if these annotations are provided by Turing himself or by a third party at some later point, although the tone is reminiscent of Turing.

The German chess piece names there used are -

K = König = King
D = Dame = Queen
T = Turm = Rook
L = Läufer = Bishop
S = Springer = Knight

(for completeness, B = Bauer = Pawn)

Jun-23-12  Willber G: @scormus:
Subtle and clever post!
Jun-23-12  LoveThatJoker: GG by Glennie!


Premium Chessgames Member
  kevin86: Do you mean that the first "machine" game didn't involve THE TURK? Was white's move a blunder? Sure looked like it.
Jun-23-12  master of defence: Why 29.Qxd6?? White didn´t see Rd8, pinning the queen or what?
Premium Chessgames Member
  Chessmensch: Smart Alick.
Jun-23-12  gars: Turing was an acomplished middle and long distance runner and he invented the "round-the-house chess": you make your move, run or jog around the house and if your opponent did not make his move at the time you seat back, then you are entitled to move again.
Jun-29-12  Doctor Aust: The annotations GlennOliver refers to on the Spiegel version of the game are indeed Turing's - they come from the original short article he wrote partly describing his ideas for a chess programme, which is also the source of the game.

The article was in a pretty obscure book, but it is reproduced on a page at chessbase where Matthias Feist writes about programming a 'Turing Engine' for Fritz using Turing's position evaluation rules.

Jun-29-12  Doctor Aust: By the way, Gary Kasparov gave a lecture at a Turing Centenary Conference in Manchester (UK) earlier this week, talking about Turing's chess engine, and played a short game against it. There's a video over here:

Jul-14-12  Doctor Aust: The game between the 're-programmed' Turochamp engine (playing at 2-ply) and Kasparov is now on chessgames here:

Turochamp (Computer) vs Kasparov, 2012

Premium Chessgames Member
  kingscrusher: I have video annotated this game here:

Premium Chessgames Member
  offramp: 29 moves at half an hour each is 14.5 hours. I used a slide rule to figure that out.
Premium Chessgames Member
  moronovich: "The Immitation Game" telling the story of Alan Turing is highly recommended.A very good movie.
Premium Chessgames Member
  Gato: You can play the Turing algorithm if you like !
Fritz 5.32 software is free (not further versions).An old software but still working on recent Windows. Turing algorithm was compiled as an engine supported by Fritz.

This is a "cool link" :

Premium Chessgames Member
  Sally Simpson: Harry Golembek used to give Alan Turing Queens Odds and win.


Premium Chessgames Member
  MissScarlett: <Alan Turing Queens Odds>

Takes one to know one.

Jump to page #    (enter # from 1 to 4)
< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 4 OF 4 ·  Later Kibitzing>
NOTE: You need to pick a username and password to post a reply. Getting your account takes less than a minute, totally anonymous, and 100% free--plus, it entitles you to features otherwise unavailable. Pick your username now and join the chessgames community!
If you already have an account, you should login now.
Please observe our posting guidelines:
  1. No obscene, racist, sexist, or profane language.
  2. No spamming, advertising, or duplicating posts.
  3. No personal attacks against other members.
  4. Nothing in violation of United States law.
  5. No posting personal information of members.
Blow the Whistle See something that violates our rules? Blow the whistle and inform an administrator.

NOTE: Keep all discussion on the topic of this page. This forum is for this specific game and nothing else. If you want to discuss chess in general, or this site, you might try the Kibitzer's Café.
Messages posted by Chessgames members do not necessarily represent the views of, its employees, or sponsors.
Spot an error? Please submit a correction slip and help us eliminate database mistakes!
<This page contains Editor Notes. Click here to read them.>
This game is type: CLASSICAL (Disagree? Please submit a correction slip.)

Featured in the Following Game Collections [what is this?]
Turing used a paper and a pencil
from Special games by Brit
June 23: Turing Test
from Game of the Day 2012 by Phony Benoni
philo's favorite games
by philo
Turing test
from jcruelty's favorite games by jcruelty
The First Computer Chess Game?
from Games of historical interest. by
August 10: Turing Test
from Game of the Day 2005 by Phony Benoni

home | about | login | logout | F.A.Q. | your profile | preferences | Premium Membership | Kibitzer's Café | Biographer's Bistro | new kibitzing | chessforums | Tournament Index | Player Directory | World Chess Championships | Opening Explorer | Guess the Move | Game Collections | ChessBookie Game | Chessgames Challenge | Store | privacy notice | advertising | contact us
Copyright 2001-2016, Chessgames Services LLC
Web design & database development by 20/20 Technologies