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|Jun-22-12|| ||twinlark: Oh what a legacy he left us! That we can even communicate like this is in no small part due to him.|
|Jun-23-12|| ||brankat: Born 100 years ago!
|Jun-23-12|| ||goodevans: There's an <Alan Turing> puzzle on the Google UK search page today, http://www.google.co.uk/. It took me a few minutes to crack it. Is it on all the Google search pages worldwide?|
|Jun-23-12|| ||Gryz: The puzzle is on the Dutch www.google.nl too.|
|Jun-23-12|| ||goodevans: <Gryz> Thanks. I pleased to hear his importance is being recognised outside his home country.|
Did you manage to solve it?
|Jun-23-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: Alan Turing, today you are remembered!
|Jun-23-12|| ||TheTamale: Ruben Fine, I believe, once wrote an essay on the low incidence of homosexuality in chess players. If I remember correctly, which I may not, his explanation was that chess itself is replete with phallic and patricide imagery and essentially as such serves as an acceptable "substitute" for homosexual inclinations. Something like that. (I believe Fine was a psychotherapist by trade.)|
|Jun-23-12|| ||TheTamale: In any event, Turing is something of an icon in the world of math geekery, and I add my voices to the others in lamenting the fear and intolerance that led to his tragic demise.|
|Jun-23-12|| ||sorokahdeen: From the limits of computability to the threshold of consciousness. His contribution to the war-effort saved countless thousands of lives and all he asked in return was to be left alone with the right man or two.|
I wonder what he would think if he could have known that the former vice-president of the United State's daughter had made an honest woman of her long-term partner today.
At what distance would he have held his own life? Would he have called himself a stepping stone or just a man?
|Jun-23-12|| ||Bratek: <It’s worth looking up Turing’s original article titled “Digital Computers applied to chess” (1951, published in 1953) on The Turing Digital Archive and admire the typewriter script and the manual corrections in the text. But it’s even more interesting to read what Turing wrote in the introduction:|
When one is asked, “Could one make a machine to play chess?” there are several possible meanings which might be given to the words. Here are a few: –
i) Could one make a machine which would obey the rules of chess, i.e. one which would play random legal moves, or which could tell one whether a given move is a legal one?
ii) Could one make a machine which would solve chess problems, e.g. tell one whether, in a given position, white has a forced mate in three?
iii) Could one make a machine which would play a reasonably good game of chess, i.e. which, confronted with an ordinary (that is, not particularly unusual) chess position, would after two or three minutes of calculation, indicate a passably good legal move?
iv) Could one make a machine to play chess, and to improve its play, game by game, profiting from its experience? Nowadays, it’s hard to believe the first three questions were ever in any kind of doubt, but the fourth one is a different matter altogether.
As anyone in possession of a chess playing program or engine surely has experienced, one of the last shortcomings of such software is the ability to teach the machine anything – from a subtle little move in an opening variation to the concept of a fortress, to a particular maneuver in an elementary rook ending.Nowadays, it’s hard to believe the first three questions were ever in any kind of doubt, but the fourth one is a different matter altogether.
As anyone in possession of a chess playing program or engine surely has experienced, one of the last shortcomings of such software is the ability to teach the machine anything – from a subtle little move in an opening variation to the concept of a fortress, to a particular maneuver in an elementary rook ending.>http://www.chessvibes.com/columns/t...
|Jun-23-12|| ||Marmot PFL: <Ruben Fine, I believe, once wrote an essay on the low incidence of homosexuality in chess players. >|
Fine lived in a different, more repressed era. I met several gay or bi players over the years and heard about others, so I doubt there is much difference between chess players and the general population.
|Jun-23-12|| ||Marmot PFL: <In spite of the extraordinary service he rendered his nation, Turing was subsequently prosecuted for "gross indecency" in having a consensual relationship with another man.>|
I wonder if there is more to the story, like someone setting him up for some reason. I have read accounts of the life of John Maynard Keynes and other British intellectuals, and their numerous homosexual affairs which they seemed very open about.
|Jun-23-12|| ||twinlark: <MarmotPFL>
It doesn't seem like he was set up. One of the links talks about how Turing had gone to the police station to report a problem, a burglary IIRC, and incautiously let them know he was having an affair with a man.
The police lost interest in his initial complaint and went after him.
|Jun-24-12|| ||Boomie: <Marmot PFL: I have read accounts of the life of John Maynard Keynes and other British intellectuals, and their numerous homosexual affairs which they seemed very open about.>|
Not to mention the British spies Kim Philby, Donald Maclean, Guy Burgess, and Anthony Blunt, who were all openly gay.
This maybe implies that there is more to this story than we know. Instead of intervening on Turing's behalf, the government chose to let him hang. Why? Did Turing, one of the great geniuses of the 20th century, know too much?
|Jun-24-12|| ||King Death: < Boomie: Not to mention the British spies Kim Philby, Donald Maclean, Guy Burgess, and Anthony Blunt, who were all openly gay.>|
About Guy Burgess and Blunt there isn't any doubt even though according to one source Blunt had some affairs with women. I've read evidence that Maclean expressed homosexual feelings at times but those may have been in the moment and they wouldn't make him "openly gay". When was Philby known to have been involved with men? If it happened in public school (like it did with so many) that doesn't confirm his orientation. By that criterion probably many if not most British boys going through public school would be gay.
Regardless Turing was a brilliant man that fell victim to the laws of his times.
|Jun-24-12|| ||twinlark: Jack Copeland (who wrote his Centenary Conference bio that is partially copied into the bio here) is also speculating that he may not have suicided, and that based upon the evidence available, an open verdict should have been the outcome. |
In other words, it might have been suicide, or it may have been an accident, or...it may have been murder as his mother asserted. The problem as Copeland sees it is that the investigation into his death was badly handled and the coroner jumped to conclusions about his state of mind that were unjustified.
While it's uncontested that he died of cyanide poisoning, the exact details of how this occurred were, and are still, murky.
|Jun-24-12|| ||pawn to QB4: <This maybe implies that there is more to this story than we know. Instead of intervening on Turing's behalf, the government chose to let him hang. Why? Did Turing, one of the great geniuses of the 20th century, know too much?>|
Not necessarily. UK public attitudes to homosexuality back then were roughly what they are to paedophilia today. No contribution to society was great enough to excuse it. Nobody could be seen to intervene in the legal process to rescue a man accused of it. Probably half the politicians, lawyers and police shared the public prejudice anyway.
Fortunately we've moved on. You can drive along Alan Turing Way in Manchester. The mother-in-law commented "who's he? another town councillor naming the city after himself?" Still some way to go.
|Jun-26-12|| ||jahhaj: An excerpt from the lecture GK gave about Turing and computer chess. Includes a game by GK against Turing's algorithm. Turing didn't last long.|
|Aug-05-13|| ||thomastonk: From "The Times" June 24, 1949: Under the titel "WORK OF COMPUTING MACHINES - NON-MATHEMATICAL USES" an article on "mechanical brains" published in to-day's (?) "British Medical Journal" written by Professor M.H.A. Newman, Manchester University, is reviewed. One quote: "For example, the playing of a legally correct game of bridge, poker, or chess could certainly be coded for the Manchester machine, and in this sense the machine could play these games."|
So, I wonder whether the statement "In 1952, lacking a computer powerful enough to execute the program, Turing played a game against Alick Glennie, ..." (quoted from the biography above) is correct.
|Aug-05-13|| ||niemzo: Ruben Fine's remarks make you realize what nonsense even intelligent people used to believe in the past. I wonder if things we now hold as common sense will seem so bizarre to future generations.|
|Dec-24-13|| ||Karpova: <Alan Turing granted Royal pardon by the Queen>|
|Dec-24-13|| ||perfidious: One wrong of those repressed times finally put right in some small way....|
|Jun-23-14|| ||Penguincw: R.I.P. Computer pioneer Alan Turing.|
|Jun-23-14|| ||zborris8: T = s, Q = v, N = d :
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|Jun-23-14|| ||Rookiepawn: Mr Alan Turing needs no pardon since he did no wrong. It is adding insult to injury to "pardon" someone you should apologize to.|
Ms. Windsor may stick her ludicrous pardon up her pocket.
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