Nov-27-10 | | YoungEd: Cute combo at the end. |
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Nov-27-10 | | CapablancaFan122: I like <36. Ng6+>. Better for black would have been to simply retreat his bishop rather than protecting with the queen. Other than that, I thought black was ahead most of the time. |
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Nov-27-10 | | rilkefan: I wonder how much time black had for moves 30 on. It would probably take a lot of hand-holding annotation to show me why this is game-of-the-day worthy and not just another KID where black runs out of mental steam in a good position and everything goes south without any effort on white's part. (Why yes, I do play the black side of the KID to my detriment.) |
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Nov-27-10 | | sofouuk: <rilkefan> with you on the 'game-of-the-day worthy' scepticism, black makes the one-move blunder 35 ... Qd7 in a just about playable position and that's more-or-less it. about the only other point worth mentioning is that the rot started to set in with the overambitious f7-f5 after which black is uncomfortably loose - so many analogous positions where this is a move black really wants to play (ambitious winning attempt) but shouldn't |
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Nov-27-10 | | Funicular: Can someone run an engine to check what's the asessment for the position after 33... Bxf4 34 Bc4+ Kh8 35. Qxf4 Bd5 I don't see major issues for black on this line. With the king exposed and a weakened e6 square, i don't get Qe8. Certainly, as rilkefan points out, it would be interesting to check how much time black had left at that point. |
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Nov-27-10
 | | Sastre: 33...Bxf4 34.Bc4+ Kh8 loses to 35.Qd4+. 33...Bxf4 34.Bc4+ Kg7 is better, but White still has a clear advantage after 35.Qxf4 Qd8 36.Be6. |
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Nov-27-10 | | sfm: The most important qualification for the GOTD is the existence of a pun! No quality-checks are made on the players or the game, it seems. No problem! In the rich database and collection of games, there's enough to enjoy. |
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Nov-27-10 | | ROO.BOOKAROO: 11. Nxa4, stealing Black's a4 pawn? Would this be simple beginner's play, or is there a trap that I don't see? Would a good engine approve the grab or ignore the potential capture? And what is Black's rationale in advancing his pawn to a4? Any subtle strategic plan? The thinking behind both moves by Black and White is not clear. Sometimes moves are baffling to us simple observers, and no Dzechiel to give us the missing comment. |
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Nov-27-10
 | | Sastre: If 11.Nxa4, then 11...Nxe4. |
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Nov-27-10
 | | hansj: If 11.Nxa4,Nxe4 loses the e4 pawn. If then 12.Nxe5,dxe5 13.Bxe4 exd4 14.Bxd4 Bxd4 15.Qxd4 Rxa4 wins a piece. A4 is an attempt by Black to create a diversion on the queenside and maybe to weaken some of Whites queenside squares. |
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Nov-27-10
 | | Peligroso Patzer: After 36. Ng6+, it was curtains for Shour. |
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Nov-27-10 | | WhiteRook48: although after a possible variation 38 Nxf8? might allow Black to live |
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Nov-27-10 | | ROO.BOOKAROO: <Sastre, hansj> Of course, good point. Tunnel vision is always possible. Nc3 protects e4. Beginner's eyes are often blurred. Elementary, my dear Watson. |
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Nov-27-10
 | | Sastre: Black would still be lost after 38.Nxf8, <38...Kxf8 39.Be6 Bxe6 40.Rxe6 Bxc3 41.Ra6>. |
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Nov-27-10 | | NYRdefenseman: Can someone explain why not 29. Bb8+, forking the king and queen? |
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Nov-27-10
 | | Sastre: If 29.Rb8+, then 29...Bxb8. |
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Nov-27-10 | | ROO.BOOKAROO: <NYRdefenseman> because it's impossible. Like me, you suffer from blurred vision. Bg2 can't get to b8, and the only square where he could fork both Black's K and Q is d5, which would require a lot of material to be moved away from their spots. Are you looking at the same board? |
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Nov-27-10 | | ROO.BOOKAROO: <NYRdefenseman> ya, of course, Rb8+ is the possible move if you insist on the royal fork, of both Black's K and Q, but again this is a covered square by Be5, and <Sastre> showed the automatic gunning response by Black. Blurred vision is rampant today. A meager consolation that I am not alone in being afflicted. |
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Nov-27-10 | | David2009: V Osnos vs J Shour, 1997 GOTD 27 Nov 10 critical position with Black to play:
 click for larger view<sofouuk: Black makes the one-move blunder 35 ... Qd7 in a just about playable position>. Instead 35...Rf6 holds for the time being but leaves White a sound Pawn up. Presumably White should win with best play. I thought that this was an interesting strategic game. Black sacrifices a Pawn to split White's Pawns and later get the two Bishops, but White's doubled Pawns are surprisingly strong. <sofouuk: the rot started to set in with the overambitious f7-f5> Black could have sat tight with 22...Be7 but, hey, people play the KID to attack on the King side. |
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Nov-27-10 | | sofouuk: <but, hey, people play the KID to attack on the King side.> of course that was my point, they need to know when to and when not to. and, btw, 'just about playable' does not mean 'objectively drawn' |
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Nov-27-10 | | rilkefan: There were a lot of moves after f5, in particular from the retreat Rf8 to Qd7. |
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Nov-29-10 | | kevin86: Osnos! White's attack gives Shour a bath!! |
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