| May-17-06 | | JordanKwiatek: a save by carslen??? |
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| May-17-06 | | Hesam7: 72... f5 easily wins. |
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| May-17-06 | | acirce: <Hesam7> How? That seems to be the same thing as we looked at during the game. Bosna Sarajevo Tournament (2006) 72..f5 73.Nxf5 Bxf5+ 74.Kb3 Bb1 and White just starts moving his bishop back and forth since ..Bd4 Bxd4 Kxd4 Kb2 is a draw. The whole point of Carlsen's surprising defense. |
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| May-17-06 | | LoFarkas: Very much so.
The nasty oversight 74. ... f5 allowed Carlsen to pick off both enemy pawns and reach a drawn endgame just when we all though he was lost.<my patzer analisys, this time without a computer, expecting for it to be corrected>: By sacking the knigt for the pawn, Carlsen removed the e6 bishop from the protection of a2. On the next move, he could attack a bishop and the last pawn; Predojevic had no defense for both. (Without the knight sac, ... Kc5+ would have covered both threats) Predojevic lost his last pawn and it was an easy draw from there. Carlsen could afford to lose his own pawn, as he only had to exchange one bishop to reach the draw by insufficient material.
Had Predojevic decided to protect the pawn with 76. ... Bb1, he would have lost the b4 bishop on move 77, and would have had no way of removing Carlsen's a1 bishop and queening his pawn. Even if he managed to get his king in the corner, and chase away the bishop, MC could still exchange the bishop for the new queen on a1 and reach the same drawn end as in the game: bishop and king vs lone king. That was long, eh?
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| May-17-06 | | LoFarkas: ("Very much so" was meant to agree that it was a surprising save by Carlsen. Plus an answer to a question asked elsewhere.) |
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| May-17-06 | | cannibal: <LoFarkas>
Not that I know what I'm talking about, but I don't see 74. ... f5 as a mistake.
It was very obvious that it would lead to a draw, even more obvious than in the case of 72. or 73. ...f5.
So i think Predojevic had already given up all winning plans at that point, and I can't see a win here either.
He must have gone wrong some time before that.
I personally think that it might have been a mistake to trade off all the kingside pawns, but I don't know if he could really have avoided it. |
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| May-17-06 | | Ingolf: So still no conclusion has been reached as to where Predojevic went wrong or if he did at all? His problem was that white's bishop controlled the a-pawn's promotion square. And if he exchanged it for his own black squared bishop, he would end up with just the a-pawn and the wrong bishop, which then again allowed white to sacrifice his knight against the only other remaining black pawn. |
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| May-17-06 | | Hesam7: <acirce: <Hesam7> How?> Superficial judgement from my side. I was not involved in your discussion so I did not know that you had already discussed it during the game. I was going over the game and noticed that after: 72... f5 73. Nxf5 Bxf5+ 74. Kb3 Bb1
Black keeps the a-pawn (in the game White loses the a-pawn) so I tought this should win. |
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| May-17-06 | | MoonlitKnight: In my opinion, Carlsen had a good position when he declined the draw with 28.Rb1, but 30.Be2 must have been a grave error. 30.Bc2 or even 30.h5 looks very strong, but I guess he didn't like his queen getting into a passive position after Rc4. I think the strive for activity can sometimes be his weakness, as it can cloud his judgement. Most often it is a good thing, though. |
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May-18-06
 | | Honza Cervenka: When I was a little kid, one older and much more experienced player used to say me quite often that being up with material in any endgame a player should trade pieces and avoid unnecessary exchanges of Pawns. I cannot believe that black was not won in position after move 53. Predojevic's plan with swapping of h-Pawn for white f-Pawn was flashy and alluring but I think that something less spectacular and more laboured and long-suffering would have given him a better chance to score the full point in this game. |
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Jul-04-09
 | | offramp: In his notes to the game in Informator Predojevic wrote that 74...Kc6 wouwld have won:
"74... Kc6 75. Ne4 Ba5 76. Nf6 (76. Kb2 Bb6 77. Ng5 Bd4+)
76... Kb5 77. Ne8 Bb6 78. Bc3 Bc5 (/\ ♔c4) 79. Nd6+ Ka4 80. Ne8 Ba3 81. Ng7 (
81. Nd6 f5! 82. exf6 Bb3+ 83. Kd3 Bxd6) (81. Nf6 Bf5+) 81... Bg4  )" |
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