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|Jun-06-06|| ||Shajmaty: <notyetagm: That a GM could look at the position with a computer for several minutes and not find the best defense pretty much says that the move has great practical chances OTB.> One should write "!?" (even "!!?") for a move with "practical chances". I believe "!!" is reserved for the best -objectively- move. However, we are lucky Aronian played the most spectacular move 11. Nf7 instead of the "simple"11. Bxc3.|
By the way, the name of the Czech GM is spelled "Navara", nothing to do with the province of Spain (Navarra).
|Jun-06-06|| ||notyetagm: <Shajmaty> Yes, you are right. I think the absolute best annotation for Aronian's move is 11 f7!!? but that is not really a legal annotation.|
Since I am a native English speaker, "Nava<r>a" does not look right to me but it is the correct spelling of the Czech GM's name.
|Jun-06-06|| ||weisyschwarz: The following commentary is offered by Lubomir Kavalek.|
7.Bd2 - (The Opocensky variation. White begins to fight for the central squares immediately.)
8...Bf6 - (The legendary Soviet grandmaster Efim Geller recommended 8...Nxc3 9.Bxc3 d5, but it was never tested.)
9...d5 - (A new try. After 9...Nd6 10.Bxb7 Nxb7 11.Nf3, black surenders the center)
10...Nxc3?! - (Black could have played 10...exd5 11.Qa4+ c6 with a good chance to equalize)
11. Nf7!! - (...Aronian's amazing knight leap intends to win material. Black can't [accept] the knight with 11...Kxf7 because white wins with 12.dxe6+ and 13.Bxb7)
11...Qd7? - (Navara is going astray. Protecting the bishop on b7 with 11...Qc8! is the right answer, forcing 12.Nxh8 and now 12...Bxd5 13.Bxd5 Nxd5 14.c4 fxe4 15.Qxe4 g6 16.h4 Bxh8 17.h5 gxh5 18.Qxh7 Bxd4 19.O-O-O gives white the edge. But 12...Nxd5!? 13.e4 Ne7 is not entirely clear, for example 14.Bc3 Kf8! 15.f3 Kg8 and the black king picks up the knight on h8 without creating weaknesses on the kingside.)
12...Bxd5 - (Black still can't touch the knight because of 13.dxe6 and white wins.)
14.e4! - (blocking the diagonal a8-h1 gives white time to collect the rook.)
18...Rd8 - (Navara wants to protect the pawn on e6 from the square d6, but it leaves his kingside vulnerable. After 18...Kd7 19.Rfe1 Re8 20.Qe2 black is tied up.)
20...g6 - (Giving white a target to attack. Black could have considered running with the king: 20...Kd7 21.Qxh7 Kc8 although after 22.a4 white has a clear advantage.)
21...Rd7 - (Black wants to free the knight on c6 by protecting the pawn on c7, but it is too late. His kingside collapses.)
22...Bxd4 - (After 22...Qxh5 23.d5! wins. And after 22...Nxd4 23.Bxd4 Bxd4 24.hxg6 hxg6 25.Qxg6 c5 26.b4!the black king has nowhere to hide from white's heavy artillery.)
24...Ne5 - (Loses outright, but after 24...Kd6 25.Bxd4 Nxd4 26.Rxd4! Qxd4 27.Qxe6+ Kc5 28.Re5+ Rd5 29.b4+ Kc4 30.Re4 and white wins.)
26.Qf6+ - (After 25...Kd6 26.Rxd4 wins the queen, and on 25...Ke8 26.Qf8 mates.) Washington Post 5 June 06
|Jun-06-06|| ||notyetagm: <weisyschwarz: The following commentary is offered by Lubomir Kavalek ... 11. Nf7!! - (...Aronian's amazing knight leap intends to win material. Black can't [accept] the knight with 11...Kxf7 because white wins with 12.dxe6+ and 13.Bxb7)>|
So GM Kavalek also votes for 11 f7!!, two exclamation points. GM Cebalo also called it the most brilliant tactical shot of the entire Olympiad.
|Jun-06-06|| ||nikolajewitsch: The question whether a move should be annotated "!?", "!" or "!!" is not only depending on its objective correctness but also on the difficulty to find it and that is always a matter of controversy. For example, there are positions in which one side has one move to mate the opponent while every other move loses. This one winning move is 100% correct and definitely the best possible, still if its very easy to see we would hardly give it a "!!" (well, engines do it...). Now ofcourse people can claim that they would have easily seen the move 11.Nxf7, but I think that if several GMs say or write that they found it striking, surprising and brillant, we should believe it...|
|Jun-06-06|| ||notyetagm: <nikolajewitsch: ...Now ofcourse people can claim that they would have easily seen the move 11.Nxf7,>|
Yes, they would have easily seen it, after Aronian played it.
|Jun-07-06|| ||notyetagm: From chessbase.com:
<It's ... the Andrew Martin Radio ChessBase Show
There were many excellent games that could have been chosen from the Turin Olympiad to be included in this week's radio show. Here was a feast of chess with virtually all of the top players in the world on view. We have settled for an entertaining and balenced slection.
We kick off with a triumph of home preparation. Check out Aronian's 11 Nf7!! which demolished Navara at a stroke!
Aronian,L (2756) - Navara,D (2658) [E17]
37th Olympiad Turin ITA (11), 02.06.2006
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 b6 4.g3 Bb7 5.Bg2 Be7 6.Nc3 Ne4 7.Bd2 f5 8.Qc2 Bf6 9.Ne5 d5 10.cxd5 Nxc3 11.Nf7!!>
So IM Andrew Martin also gives 11 f7!! two exclamation points.
|Jun-07-06|| ||Honza Cervenka: <11.Nf7> Well, if you play move like 10...Nxc3 (which is here a zwischenzug itself), you should always look twice after eventual zwischenzugs of your opponent. David simply forgot this here and was punished for that. To see that after 11.Nf7 the Knight forking black Queen and Rook cannot be captured for double attack (b7, f7) after 12.fxe6 is no super difficult task. In fact, it's rather a "coffee-house" or "blitz game" two move trick. The rest is a little bit thougher - you have to calculate and evaluate properly other moves than 11...Kxf7?? Or you have to be lucky. I am not sure that Levon worked too much on this as he played 11.Nf7 quite quickly and the position after 11...Qc8 12.Nxh8 Nxd5 is rather dubious for white than anything else as the Knight in the corner seems to be doomed and so black will get two minor pieces for a Rook. If black consolidates his posirion after that, he has even good chance to win the game. Of course, in the real game the "shock and awe" effect of this ugly surprize for Navara played in hands of Aronian and from this angle it can be said that 11.Nf7 was decisive shot regardless of its objective quality (Many great Tal's or Shirov's wins were based on similar shots). But still I think that <!?> is more proper mark here than <!!>.|
|Jun-09-06|| ||notyetagm: From Mig at chessbase.com, speaking about Aronian:
<... His shattering win against Sokolov and his 11.Nf7!! against Navara in round eleven were worth the price of admission.>
So Mig votes for 11 f7!!.
|Jun-16-06|| ||Mameluk: Interview: Which olympic game would you recommend to readers?|
Navara:´We were all amazed by Naiditsch-Carlsen opening, but then it was just another game. If you don´t have much time and you want to have fun, look at Aronian-Navara game.´
|Jun-17-06|| ||notyetagm: <Mameluk> That Navara is a humble fellow. I like him even more after this self-deprecating humor.|
|Jun-17-06|| ||Shajmaty: <Mameluk: Navara: If you don´t have much time and you want to have fun, look at Aronian-Navara game.> Funny guy!|
|Jun-17-06|| ||notyetagm: <Shajmaty> How much more humble can you be?|
|Jun-30-06|| ||Mameluk: T Nalbandian vs Navara, 2005|
Navara gives analysis of this game on Czech website, and reminds this Nalbandian-Navara game from his terrible last year Euro championship performance, where he failed in the same opening. He also says he saw Nf7, but not 14. e4! And that was the reason, why he responded Qd7 in a few seconds, otherwise he surely would have found Qc8.
|Jun-30-06|| ||Shajmaty: <Mameluk: Navara [...] says he saw Nf7, but not 14. e4! And that was the reason, why he responded Qd7 in a few seconds, otherwise he surely would have found Qc8.> Nice piece of info, <Mameluk>.|
|Jul-16-06|| ||Honza Cervenka: <Navara gives analysis of this game on Czech website, and reminds this Nalbandian-Navara game from his terrible last year Euro championship performance, where he failed in the same opening. He also says he saw Nf7, but not 14. e4! And that was the reason, why he responded Qd7 in a few seconds, otherwise he surely would have found Qc8.> I was not aware of David's game with Nalbandian. That explains much of what happened in this game, especially Davidek's quick response after white's 11th move. 11.Nf7 was not shocking surprize for David as he saw this possibility already during the game with Nalbandian played last year (I was very surprised that he could have missed such a "zwischenzug" trick and it is clear now that in fact he did not miss it at all) but he did not calculate its follow-up over the board accurately then, did not check his calculation with comp (that would have shown him devasting impact of 14.e4 in that line immediately) later and finally hastily followed his (in this time unfortunately) excellent memory right to the disaster. Well, David Navara and a little bit careless hastiness in the opening sounds to me like much more probable combination than David Navara and complete tactical collaps caused by panic after unexpected move of opponent. But still I would like to know, if Aronian played 11.Nf7 as a momental idea over the board or as a prepared continuation based on knowledge of Nalbandian-Navara game. In both cases he was quite lucky that David played 11...Qd7 instead of 11...Qc8.|
|Nov-08-06|| ||extremepleasure: In my opinion Navara couldn't find the best defense against Nf7 because he was overestimating his opponent's strength and at the moment he saw the move he was sure that he fell into a home preparation of Aronian. If he played against a lesser player he would have certainly worked out the best possible variations and could have easily beaten his opponent from this position no matter even if his opponent made exactly the same moves with Aronian. |
With respect to Aronian's move--Nf7-- all I can say is that this is a typical coffee house move which all of the strong coffee house players might make instinctively and almost instantly in this same position.
The reason of why Navara couldn't make the best moves after Nf7 is purely psychological. Players should avoid overestimating their opponents and should rely on their own skills in chess. IMO that was the secret behind Reshevsky's achievements in chess. He had a complete trust to his skills in chess and didn't lose heart even in very very difficult positions (he was a much better player while defending difficult positions) and he resolutely tried to find the best defense even in the most difficult positions.
|May-11-07|| ||notyetagm: 11 f7!!, wow.
|May-11-07|| ||Davolni: 11 Nf7 was it a novelty?? Nobody had ever played that?|
|May-11-07|| ||slomarko: I've played it in a couple of blitz games in 2005, Aronian merely copied my idea.|
|May-11-07|| ||Davolni: <slomarko> Yeah, definitely Aronian copied 11Nf7 from you. I wonder how much did you charge him for releasing the "magic move"?|
|May-11-07|| ||slomarko: <Davolni> nothing i've just asked him to intruduce me to Caoli.|
|Apr-08-11|| ||ycpl: Why did white play 9. Ne5? After 9... Bxe5 dxe5, what has he got except doubled pawns?|
|Apr-09-11|| ||Phony Benoni: <ycpl: Why did white play 9.Ne5? After 9...Bxe5 10.dxe5, what has he got except doubled pawns?> |
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Not much. Which is why White would play 10.Nxe4 instead, and Black loses at least a pawn:
10...Bxe4 11.Bxe4 fxe4 12.Qxe4 (attacking the a8) and 13.dxe5
10...fxe4 11.dxe5 d5 12.exd6 followed by 13.Bxe4
10...Bxd4? 11.Nd6+ and 12.Bxb7, winning the exchange.
|Nov-26-11|| ||falso contacto: Guess Aronian is just challenging the opposition from time to time.|
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