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|Aug-22-10|| ||shoaibk: http:// ........... lol|
|Aug-22-10|| ||Elsinore: When I said the Queen will be trapped eventually, your continuation is what I meant, Qa4, Rb4, Qa5 ect. The price is high, 2 rooks and a knight, but I don't know what black would do after that. At that moment, black is basically playing with one rook; blacks king has blocked himself in, and it would take time to free the rook. And I think Nf6 is met with e5, Nd5, Qxc6 Nxd3 Qxd7+, and I don't know what black does after that. It's late for me to be writing this much, but I think we both agree black is finished.|
|Aug-22-10|| ||Once: Hmmm... this game reminds me why I gave up the modern.|
It's guilty confession time. When I was too young to know better I bought a book with the wonderful title of "Black to play and win with 1...g6" by Andrew Soltis. The cover is a strange sort of pinky colour, now faded with age (I have owned it for more than 20 years). And on the cover it proclaims itself as "A complete defensive system"
Now I ask you, what more could a callow youth ask for? Not only the chance to win with black, but a complete defensive system that can be played against almost anything that white plays.
And so, for years, my black repertoire was 1...g6, 2...Bg7 and 3...c6 - the so-called Gurgenidze system.
And I lost. I lost loads. With white I was just fine, but black was a horror story. I would end up in these weird passive positions, with about as much joy, passion and energy as my first marriage.
A good player can make this sort of stuff work, but I never managed it.
|Aug-22-10|| ||whiteshark: The 5th rank (a5-h5) was obviously a no-go area for ♙s.|
|Aug-22-10|| ||Elsinore: Random question: Why isn't chess an olympic sport? If curling can make the cut, why can't a great intellectual game like chess make it? Most of the games would have to be blitz, but I would rather watch a one hour chess match, as boring as that may seem to some, than watch Canadien truckdrivers sliding 40 pound stones down a sheet of ice while carrying brooms.|
|Aug-22-10|| ||Once: <Elsinore> Some random answers:|
Because few chessplayers would look good in lycra. Mind you, Canadian truck-drivers don't either so maybe that's not such an issue.
Because your chess-playing performance cannot be noticeably enhanced by drugs.
Because we wouldn't need to build expensive stadia to play chess, and where's the fun in an Olympics if it doesn't involve bankrupting a country to build stuff that will never be fully used again?
Because curling only got included cos the winter olympics ran out of other decent sports to include. I mean, how much can you do with snow and ice, apart from exploiting its low mu (low friction) characteristics - in other words, games that involving sliding around a lot?
I bet if you put chess on ice than it would have a chance at the winter olympics. But the summer Olympics? Nah, not unless someone invented beach chess, played in a sandpit in skimpy bikinis.
|Aug-22-10|| ||sandtime: 37th Chess Olympiad 2006 - 133 participating nations
it's every 2 years instead of 4 years.Wikipedia|
|Aug-22-10|| ||Once: <sandtime> True, true but I would humbly posit that a sport having its own Olympiad isn't quite the same as being invited to the big one. After all, any sport could do that - the tiddlywinks olympiad, the thumb-wrestling olympiad, the chessgames.com kibitzing olympiad.|
Why, that would be like inventing a competition for a sport that hardly anyone else plays and calling it the World Series. Or denying the existence of extra-terrestial intelligent life by holding a Mr Universe competition.
|Aug-22-10|| ||NewLine: Chess obviously can't be an Olympic sport, because Olympic sports are mindless!|
|Aug-22-10|| ||rapidcitychess: Ok, I don't get the pun but here's my take on the game.|
<Once> upon a time, I played the Alekhine in a serious team4545 game. It was against an 1800 player, and I thought I had equalized. Suddenly it occured to me that only 2 pieces ever made it past th 3rd rank. Then it occured to me that I was going to lose a pawn. Then it occured to me that I was totally lost, and I better find another defense to 1.e4 I think I might (gasp) play the Caro-Kann. And play 1.d4. And play the Catalan. And play the Nimzo-Indian. And play the Queen's Indian. And be a dry, boring, scientific player, but hey! Thse guys tend to win a lot.
Now for the actual game.
<Ladies and Gentlemen <Drumroll> Boys and Girls>
I present to you pawn grabbing. Another name is a gorp. What is a gorp you ask? Well I just made it up, but it's the scientific term for a useless plan. A neglection of the pieces. An obsession, really. Sometimes they don't know you have the gorp, sometimes you don't know you have gorp. The only thing is the what you play. A gorp tends to happen with one piece. The Queen. You see the queen is greedy, and she can never stay at home. The blood of many is upon her hands, yet she thirsts for more. Pawns charge in to battle to merely be killed by this monster. She doesn't move on her own. You must move her/it. The greed is within you.
In conclusion, a gorp is a plan of greed that should lose.
|Aug-22-10|| ||scormus: Fun game, always pleased to see B get his come-uppance after grabbing the g2 pawn.|
<Once .... chess at Summer Olympics> I think you answered the question. Let us imagine Vishy, Vlad, Topo etc in swimming outfits? No, on reflection let's not.
<Once again .... gorp> If only my English teacher had explained Shakespeare's MacBeth like that
|Aug-22-10|| ||Phony Benoni: I remember seeing a picture in <Chess Life> back in the 1970s of Anatoly Karpov wearing only swim trunks. Case closed.|
Seriously, putting chess in the Olympics has been discussed frequently. Outside of the question whether chess is a sport or not, one of the big issues has been drug testing. Can you imagine chess without coffee?
|Aug-22-10|| ||Once: <rapidcitychess> I'm not quite sure whether to feel flattered or teased! But a well written and fun kibitiz. Nicely done :-)|
|Aug-22-10|| ||ajile: <Once>
I think the idea is to play flexibly as Black to try and get White to commit to a certain opening. The other idea is to tempt White to overextend his center and then to attack it as a weakness. These ideas may work against lesser players but stronger players know better and can take advantage of the space granted. Point is that Black can't just sit back forever and expect White to make a big mistake. Black should plan on striking SOMEWHERE in the center within the first 10 moves. In this opening this would probably be ..c5 or ..e5 after preparation.
Note that the Owens Defense uses a similar strategy with b6,e6 and Bb7 to tempt White. And in many cases Black can transpose into several other mainline openings with advantage. (delayed Sicilian Defense with ..c5 for example)
|Aug-22-10|| ||rapidcitychess: <Once> It's really a comment of imitaiton. <The sincerest form of flattery> And who gave me the premium membership?|
|Aug-22-10|| ||Once: Now that is seriously funny to see the hammer again! ;-)|
|Aug-22-10|| ||Chessmensch: This is one of the most clever puns ever. It falls into the category, "Why didn't I think of that?"|
|Aug-22-10|| ||rapidcitychess: OK, what's the pun? Is it a reference to the white players name?|
|Aug-22-10|| ||ToTheDeath: Really creative pun, one of the best I've ever seen.|
|Aug-22-10|| ||Phony Benoni: I suppose so, White contributing "htt" and Black "p". But I wouldn't call it a particularly slashing victory.|
There's probably a site on the Internet that explains it, but I don't know how to look those up.
|Aug-22-10|| ||eykca: I have this mental image of black looking for a move and then, after taking a quick drink of water, noticing how ridiculous the board appears after 22. c4. If he could only double the pawns on the f-file and move the rook to e8...|
|Aug-22-10|| ||WhiteRook48: horrible pun, how can anyone call this good|
|Aug-22-10|| ||lolpossum: <HTTP: Slash, Slash> That's a good one. LOL|
|Aug-23-10|| ||David2009: <rapidcitychess: [snip] Ladies and Gentlemen <Drumroll> Boys and Girls I present to you pawn grabbing....> I have taken expert advice (Crafty End Game Trainer) on where Black could improve, starting at move 18:|
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(Hoang Thanh Trang vs Paschall 2005, 18?). The EGT recommends
development at move 19: 19...Nc4 20.Raxa7 Rxa7 21.Rxa7 e6 but White remains well on top afer 22 Bc1. Crafty link for winning practice as White:
|Aug-23-10|| ||kevin86: By the time black extricates (exchanges) the queen,the white army is well on the march.|
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