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Veselin Topalov vs Alexander Morozevich
Morelia-Linares (2007), Morelia MEX, rd 7, Feb-25
French Defense: Steinitz. Boleslavsky Variation (C11)  ·  1-0
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Feb-27-07  percyblakeney: Concerning blindfold chess, Moro has been number 1 for quite a while, after 1999 he has performed 2885, followed by Kramnik with 2806 and Anand with 2775. The four blindfold games played between Moro and Kramnik have finished with two wins for Moro and two draws. Moro's four blindfold games against Anand have finished with three wins and one draw.

http://members.aon.at/sfischl/blind...

Feb-27-07  KamikazeAttack: <If Moro was not going to shake hands, he should have said that in advance as Topa and Kramnik did. Otherwise you put your opponent in a very awkward situation with his hand hanging in the air.>

This is perverse.

Not shaking hands is downright rude.

To excuse it under any guise like "announce in advance" is ludicrous.

<he should have said that in advance as Topa and Kramnik did>

The above quote is a misrepresentation of what happened in Elista. Topa was the one who brought up the issue of hand shaking. He was the one who decided - by announcing to the world - that he would not shake Kramnik's hand. It is disingenuous to insinuate that Kramnik was complicit in this “advance warning hand shaking” saga.

Feb-27-07  whatthefat: <KamikazeAttack>

<Iron Maiden> would appear to be having a dig at Topalov, based on one of his absurd interviews regarding the WC match.

<Interviewer: Before the match did you suspect anything like this?

Topalov: We had it in mind and we thought, well, in the worst case we'll get the money. The problem was that we found out. If you don't discover it you just play chess. But if you find out it wrecks you. You can't sleep and you spin yourself in circles.>

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...

Feb-27-07  karnak64: <Atking> thanks, but I'm unconvinced, and doubt I'll over go this route OTB. I've not the stomach for it. This 9. ... g5 strikes me as too dicey (and it seems more rare than you allow -- isn't f6 more common in such positions, or cxd4?).

Maybe this is moot for me anyway 'cuz I usually play the Winawer (when my opponents let me).

Feb-28-07  PeerGynt: <KamikazeAttack: <he should have said that in advance as Topa and Kramnik did>

The above quote is a misrepresentation of what happened in Elista. Topa was the one who brought up the issue of hand shaking. He was the one who decided - by announcing to the world - that he would not shake Kramnik's hand. It is disingenuous to insinuate that Kramnik was complicit in this “advance warning hand shaking” saga.>

You apparently don't know the facts. Topa said that he will not shake hands with Kramnik after the game 4. Later he kind of apologised and kept shaking hands with Kramnik during the rest of the match.

Before WAZ Kramnik (Hensel) officially announced that he will not shake hands with Topalov anymore. So Topa never refused to shake hands with anybody. He said he would, but he changed his mind. So far only Kramnik and Moro refused to shake hands with Topa. Kramnik did it the right way, by announcing it in advance. Moro did it as little kid.

Whether it is perverse, I don't know. It is your opinion, but I would not call Moro and Kramnik perverts just because of no shaking hands.

Feb-28-07  PeerGynt: <iron maiden: ... I imagine it must have been hard on Morozevich in particular. The possibility that your opponent might be cheating just wrecks you. You can't sleep and you spin yourself in circles.>

I am glad that you finally realised how hard was on Topa to play knowing that Kramnik might be getting external help in that bathroom. The possibility that your opponent might be cheating just wrecks you. You can't sleep and you spin yourself in circles.

Feb-28-07  Plato: <I am glad that you finally realised how hard was on Topa to play knowing that Kramnik might be getting external help in that bathroom>

Oh, give it a rest already.

Feb-28-07  PeerGynt: <Plato: Oh, give it a rest already.>

You don't like the topic? I find it interesting "The state of mind of a player who suspects that his/her opponent might be cheating".

Or you prefer maybe another topic "Do players really mean it when they accuse other players of cheating?"

Feb-28-07  iron maiden: <PeerGynt> <<iron maiden: ... I imagine it must have been hard on Morozevich in particular. The possibility that your opponent might be cheating just wrecks you. You can't sleep and you spin yourself in circles.> I am glad that you finally realised how hard was on Topa to play knowing that Kramnik might be getting external help in that bathroom. The possibility that your opponent might be cheating just wrecks you. You can't sleep and you spin yourself in circles.>

LOL, chessgames.com really needs to develop some sort of icon that you can attach to kibitzes that indicates sarcasm.

Feb-28-07  Plato: <iron maiden> If necessary, you can always recommend the following:

http://bsllabs.theumb.net/proddetai...

Mar-01-07  percyblakeney: Mig on the game:

<If you want exciting, tactical chess you have to be prepared to accept a few blunders along the way, but Topalov-Morozevich took this proposition to the extreme. Morozevich's fabulously provocative play with his trademark ..g5 in the French failed to discombobulate Topalov, who steadily fortified his position on the kingside. After 19.fxe5 White was solid and it was clear Black was going to have to sac something in the center or eventually be overrun due to his bassackwards development. 19..Nxd4 was playable but doesn't confuse the issue sufficiently. Moro went for a knight sac on e5 that put Topalov under tremendous pressure, although it's important to remember that Black also has to play very accurately in the attack to have a chance.

Of course this is just the sort of insane tactical position computers excel at and humans often fumble, so I got into it with the roving packs of afritzionados on the ICC. Watching patzers, and I use that term with affection, instantly saying that a super-GM has blundered, or is "totally lost" drives me insane. I promised to stop boring you so I'll skip my well-practiced rant on chess being a human game. (More immediately below in the comments, however.) That a computer says +1.72 for white after 23.Qxd4 in a boggling position with both kings in danger is trivially interesting and the lines can be amusing -- even revealing on occasion -- afterwards. They are essential for serious analysis, of course. But if you have to find 23..Bd7! 24.Nb6! Bc6+ 25.Kh2 Rd8 26.Nc4!! to call Black lost (and he's not), you really need to turn off your engine and enjoy the game.

That said, it didn't take Fritz to see that Topalov was soon getting the better of things. His king had a shelter behind the black f-pawn and the black queenside was still undeveloped. But quite uncharacteristically, Topalov pardoned Black again and again. Part of this was because he tried to play quickly in Morozevich's time trouble, but overall he was just very inaccurate. Moro climbed back into the game with his own threats and it looked like he might have a miracle draw in the making. Even as late as 35..Kc7 (instead of one move later) Black is battling despite playing with a rook on a8 and a bishop on c7. Crazy. Topalov could have ended things immediately with 38.Qg7 but Black got yet another life. Black could have met the worst of the threats by covering g5 with 40..Qf4 (or 40..Qe3). After he missed that he got no more chances. Ironic that the killer turned out to be the g-pawn-turned-e-pawn. White still needed precision against Moro's sharp defense. Hard to call such a blunder-filled game a great one, but it was lots of fun. Twenty years ago it would have taken months to analyze this one, if not years. Now the engines cut through the tactics in minutes. No wonder some spectators don't understand how difficult this game is.>

http://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt...

Mar-01-07
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  Mateo: <Eyal: 25.Kf2 rather than Kg1 was an inaccuracy> Nice point. I believe the subtle idea is that after 25.Kg1!, if 25...Qxa4 26.a3 (the simplest on the board) works as after 26...Qc2, Black has no check to unpinn his Bishop (meanwhile after 25.Kf2 he has such a check). Then 27.Rh2 followed by 28.axb4 wins for White.
Mar-01-07
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  Mateo: <Eyal: Topalov missed a win with 27.Rh8.> True, although not easy to foresee on the board without computer. 27.Rh8 Qxd4 (27...Rxh8 28.Qxh8+ wins easily) 28.Rxg8+ Kf7 29.Bxd4 Kxg8 30.Rh1 gives White a won position, since Black cannot develop his queenside. For instance, 30...b5 31.Rh8+ Kf7 32.Be4 Rb8 33.Ba7, White wins.
Mar-01-07
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  Mateo: <Ingolf: Topalov could also have won a bishop with 26.Bd2 according to chesspro.ru.> Yes, it works. 26.Bd2 a5 27.a3 Bd7 28.b3! wins.
Mar-01-07  notyetagm: <Mateo: <Eyal: Topalov missed a win with 27.Rh8.> True, although not easy to foresee on the board without computer.>

But why can't Topalov see a computer line if he cheats with a computer?

Mar-02-07
Premium Chessgames Member
  Eyal: <Mateo: <Eyal: 25.Kf2 rather than Kg1 was an inaccuracy> Nice point. I believe the subtle idea is that after 25.Kg1!, if 25...Qxa4 26.a3 (the simplest on the board) works> Actually, 26.Rh8! seems to be again the best move for White (and with the king not on f2, Black doesn't have the resource Qc2+): 26...Rxh8 27.Qxh8+ Kf7 (27...Kd7 28.Qg7+ Ke8 29.Qg8+ Kd7 30.Qf7+ Kd6 31.Rc1 [30...Be7 31.Bc5]) 28.Qh7+ Kf6 29.Bd4+ e5 30.Qh6+ Ke7 31.Qg5+ and the black king wouldn't last for long
Mar-02-07
Premium Chessgames Member
  Eyal: <But why can't Topalov see a computer line if he cheats with a computer?> Well, maybe he keeps making all those tactical blunders so that people wouldn't suspect he's cheating with a computer.
Mar-02-07  dehanne: <Eyal><Well, maybe he keeps making all those tactical blunders so that people wouldn't suspect he's cheating with a computer.> Or maybe he was mistakingly connected to Jester during this tournament, instead of Rybka.
Mar-02-07  Tomish: <Or maybe he was mistakingly connected to Jester during this tournament, instead of Rybka.>

Maybe he could fake lots of trips to the toilet and plug into Elista, they use Fritz 10!!!

Mar-07-07  Defiler: Cheating accusations and comments are simply disgusting and incorrect. If you look at topa's career it is obvious that his strength is geniune.

The accusations make me ashamed of my fellow chess fans.

Mar-08-07  Tomish: Gosh, now I feel remorseful in my ugly reactions to those equally ugly jibes. You are right in the best possible way, <Defiler!> Thank you.
Mar-09-07  Skylark: Seriously though, these cheating accusations are just annoying now. I don't think that Topalov's drop in quality of play is attributable to not cheating - I think his nerves are wracked, because thousands of people honestly believe he's a cheater.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1_W3NF4C...

Yeah; you guys are right. This guy is a really arrogant shell of a man. Do you think he made it to the top by cheating? If not, why would he cheat merely to attain the WC title?

Have you accusers ever heard of innocent until proven guilty? I just hope the psychological damage isn't permanent, and that we haven't lost one of our prominent chess leaders to some unfounded accusation.

Mar-09-07  setebos: Maybe Topa is a little burned out. Maybe he just needs a break from chess. Fischer took long (really long) breaks and came back stronger.
Apr-01-07  sharpnova: <defiler> if only some others around here would have the sense to come to the same correct and obvious conclusions about topalov.

besides i've seen the damn video they are talking about so much. dainalov was not doing any messaging.. it's so ridiculous.

moro is just a baby. he acts like american liberals.

americans in general are not stupid people. but their liberals sure try to make it seem that way. i wonder if moro will do that for chess players.

Jan-07-12
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  Penguincw: Topalov actually managed to defend even with an exposed king.
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