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Etienne Bacrot vs Gata Kamsky
"What A Man's Gata Do" (game of the day May-29-2007)
Candidates Match: Bacrot - Kamsky (2007), May-28
Dutch Defense: Semi-Leningrad Variation (A81)  ·  0-1
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May-28-07  Karpova: Amazing game! Both were down to a few minutes after move 20 and had only seconds left after move 30. In the end, Kamsky had more seconds left on his clock...
May-28-07  Shajmaty: 15 seconds for his last 15 moves was too much (too little?) for Bacrot.
May-28-07  argishti: tahts why he resigned? cause he could still go on, having a pawn down.
May-28-07  Illogic: He didn't resign, he flagged.
May-28-07  suenteus po 147: I think Kamsky (like Danailov and Topalov) understands that a match is won psychologically as much as it is on the board. His match with Short is a good indication of how Kamsky learned about this, but I must say it's more agreeable to see it here as putting his opponent in a quandry and then instigating time trouble to gain an advantage.
May-29-07  Akavall: I feel bad for Bacrot; it must've hurt to lose on time in an almost drawn position. Good luck to him in the next game.
May-29-07  cotdt: <Akavall: I feel bad for Bacrot; it must've hurt to lose on time in an almost drawn position. Good luck to him in the next game.> Bacrot will be playing Black against an in-form Kamsky. He will need all the luck he can get.
May-29-07
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  khense: Kamsky's opening looked terrible - But what do I know...
May-29-07
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  IMlday: The odd Stonewall variant also worked in this Candidates match game: Portisch vs Smyslov, 1971
May-29-07  arunrx: Chessgames.com must add a comment or display something indicating that White lost on time.

Only people who followed this game yesterday can understand how black wins!

May-29-07  Squares: If I had to do 15 moves in 15 seconds, hit the clock, right the move down, all the pieces would end up everywhere. So close, just one move away! Kamsky himself only had 9 seconds left. An amazing match!
May-29-07
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  kevin86: Another "hypermodern" game-it was played yesterday. White is definitely lost as he is forced to simplify more-or lose even more material.

Again,like yesterday,I think white played to the time control and decided that it would be worthless to play on.

May-29-07
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  kevin86: I stand correct-it looks like white MISSED the time control. He is a pawn to the minus and will be forced to exchange one of the bishops-so no tears for him.
May-29-07
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  Knight13: "*sight* YESSS.... I won... " --- Kamsky
May-29-07
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  YouRang: It is a shame that there is no standard indication that a game was decided by some special means, such as time control or forfeiture. It seems to be highly relevant information.

I'd propose:
0-1@ (@ timed-out; looks like a clock)
1-0~ (~ means forfeit)

May-29-07  Harvestman: <YouRang> This is an excellent suggestion that would clear up all those instances of looking at a database and wondering why someone resigned in an apparently drawn position, when really they had lost on time.
May-29-07  sfm: <I'd propose:
0-1@ (@ timed-out; looks like a clock)
1-0~ (~ means forfeit)>

The idea of assigning symbols to how the outcome was determined is great. Any symbol will do, I have used simple letters. We also need to introduce a symbol for "Resigned", otherwise we can't know whether "1-0" actually means "Resigned" or that we just don't have the info.

So e.g.
R: Resigned
T: Time forfeiture
N: No show (e.g. for adjourned games, or the player left in the middle of the game!) D: tournament Director's decision

We should not forget the draws!
A: Draw by agreement
3: 3-repetitions rule was claimed
M: draw claimed by "too Many moves", like the 50-moves rule I: Insufficient material
P: Perpetual check

Etc.

Some symbols are special cases of other symbols. The "N" can be a special case of Time forfeiture. The "P" is actually either a draw by agreement or the 3-rep (or a Many-move) rule claimed.

But it is nice to have the extra info.

However useful, the chance of seing it implemented is slim, one problem being that we rarely have the info.

So it will simply be "1-0" for considerable future.

May-29-07
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  YouRang: <Harvestman> Thanks. Clearing up confusion over why a game ended is the motivation. Unfortunately, this important information is lost once the game is relegated to a database.

<sfm> I also thought about using letters, but then I got the idea that eliminating dependence on English abbreviations would be nice.

My thought was that having a symbol for "resign" wouldn't be necessary since that would be assumed in the absence of a special symbol (or a "#" indicating mate).

For me, it would be satisfactory to indicate just the two special cases (time-out and forfeit), where 'forfeit' covered all the odd-ball circumstances (no-show, cell phone rang, caught cheating, rude behavior, etc.). The point being that the game was decided for reasons unrelated to the OTB game.

I agree that having symbols for draws are a good idea too, but perhaps less important than the decisive game symbols, since the reason for the draw can generally be derived with analysis. But then again, it's always best to be specific.

The 'P' symbol (i.e. "draw by perpetual check") is interesting, because technically there isn't a perpetual-check draw rule. It either boils down to a 3-fold-repetition, or draw by agreement.

As you say, the chances are slim that such amendments would be made to the way chess games are notated.

May-29-07  syracrophy: I found nothing spectacular on this game. Where's the fun on someone losing by time?
May-29-07  cotdt: this opening is rarely played at this level.
May-31-07  HrodHerich: Nice to see Kamsky winning this last 2 games.

I don't think the last position is drawn. I think black has a little edge, the pawns are concentrated on one side of the board, and that makes that black knight much more valuable.

Jun-01-07  Eti fan: Great job Kamsky!
Jun-03-07  Paul123: Kamsky.....I may be a little older than most here. I remember Kamsky being in the Top 6 strongest players in the early nineties... (maybe top four) He's not that old..and if he can get his old form back I think he will give Topalov or Kramnik a serious run for thier money. The guy plays explosive chess and isn't afraid to take chances...Not to mention has World championship experience.... Look out if Kamsky gets hot!
Dec-08-07
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  BishopofBlunder: I am a proponent of the Leningrad Dutch. But if you can't stand to lose with an opening, you best stay away from it.
Aug-21-13  ajile: The mark of a great player is the ability to play creatively in new positions. Gata takes advantage of White's opening by transposing into an unusual Leningrad Dutch Stonewall formation. White's 5.b4?! spike seems to be a wasted move in this game.
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