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Veselin Topalov vs Viswanathan Anand
Grand Slam Chess Final (2008), Bilbao ESP, rd 4, Sep-05
Queen's Indian Defense: Fianchetto. Nimzowitsch Variation (E15)  ·  1-0
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Sep-06-08  Ulhumbrus: What is the Rybka analysis after 16...0-0 instead of 16...g6?
Sep-06-08  sallom89: <zanshin> hello, I wonder why when I clip analysis it does not say "Deep Rybka" while it is the version I have?

<Ulhumbrus>
Topalov - Anand, Bilbao Grand Slam Chess Final 2008


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Analysis by Rybka 3 32-bit:

1. (0.58): 17.Nf5 Qc7 18.Bxd5 Rad8 19.Qe4 Bxd5

2. (0.26): 17.Bxd5 Bxd5[] 18.Rxd5[] Nc7 19.Rd3 Rd8 20.Nf5 Qe6 21.Rad1 Rxd3 22.Qxd3 g6 23.Ne3 Re8 24.c4 Qe7 25.a4

Sep-06-08  Ulhumbrus: <sallom89> thx.
Sep-06-08  zanshin: <charms> I don't know if you can point to a single move where Anand went wrong because he was losing for most of the game. But if we point to a single move, I think this is it:

Deep Rybka 3:


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[+0.89] d=19 22...Nd4 23.Ne5 Nc6 24.f4 Nxe5 25.fxe5 Qe6 26.R1d6 Qh3 27.a4 a6 28.Rb7 b5 29.a5 Rad8 30.Ra7 Rde8 31.Raxa6 Qh6 32.Rd1 (1:25.14)

[+1.14] d=18 22...Rd8 23.Qb7 Rxd7 24.Rxd7 Qa8 25.Rxf7 Qxb7 26.Rxb7 Rf7 27.Rb8 Rf8 28.Rxf8 Kxf8 29.Nd2 Nc7 30.Ne4 Nb5 31.a4 Nc7 32.Kg2 (0:44.25)

[+1.50] d=18 22...c4 23.Qh4 h5 24.Qf6 Nc5 25.Re7 Qa4 26.Rd6 Qc2 27.Ng5 Qf5 28.Rc7 Qxf6 29.Rxf6 Na4 30.Rxc4 Nc5 31.Rcf4 Rad8 32.Nxf7 Rd1 33.Kg2 Kg7 34.Rd6 Re1 35.Ne5 Rxf4 36.Rxg6 Kh7 37.gxf4 Rxe2 (0:58.54)

[+1.50] d=18 22...a6 23.Qe3 Ng7 24.Ne5 Rc8 25.g4 b5 26.R1d6 a5 27.Qf4 b4 28.Rf6 Ne6 29.Qh6 Ng7 30.f4 b3 31.Rxg6 Qxe5 32.fxe5 hxg6 33.Qc1 Ne6 34.h4 (1:15.41)

[+1.61] d=18 22...Rc8 23.Ne5 Ng5 (1:18.07)

Sep-06-08  zanshin: <sallom89: I wonder why when I clip analysis it does not say "Deep Rybka" while it is the version I have?>

<sallom89> Looking at your output, I am pretty sure you are using Fritz as the GUI while selecting Deep Rybka 3 as the engine. I am using Aquarium which shows different output. The lines I give (showing depth and time) are using a "copy all lines" command, which actually does not show the fen, the engine, or the game details as in Fritz. I am told these will be included in an update. Currently, you have to insert the fen using another command - which I do. Then I identify the engine manually by typing in "Deep Rybka 3".

Sep-06-08  call14: <zanshin: > Thanks for your analysis and reply to my question.
Sep-06-08  sallom89: <zanshin> thanks, appreciate the answer.

<Ulhumbrus> your welcomed.

Sep-06-08
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  sisyphus: <eternaloptimist: Well, it looks like 12.g5! is a great move, & it may become more popular than 12.c3 on the super-GM level. If this is a novelty, then Topa did a good job w/ his homework. >

Susan Polgar relates that Topalov credits Paco Vallejo with the novelty. ChessBase says it looks like straight computer analysis after that. That's preparation for you.

Sep-06-08  Hesam7: <<12.Bg5N>. The new move. 12.Nc3 d5 13.Bg5 d4 14.Bxf6 gxf6 15.Ne4 was played in Rodshtein,M (2517) - Pashikian,A (2527), Yerevan 2006, where White won in 34 moves, and 12.Nc3 d5 13.Bg5 Nbd7 14.e4 d4 15.e5 in the recent Kramnik-Leko, Tal Memorial, 2008, which ended in a 28-move draw. We are told that Topalov's novelty was found by Spanish GM Paco Vallejo Pons, who used to work with Anand.> chessbase report

so I was wrong it was not Cheparinov, it was Paco at his best!

Sep-06-08  yalie: <12.Bg5N>. The new move. 12.Nc3 d5 13.Bg5 d4 14.Bxf6 gxf6 15.Ne4 was played in Rodshtein,M (2517) - Pashikian,A (2527), Yerevan 2006, where White won in 34 moves, and 12.Nc3 d5 13.Bg5 Nbd7 14.e4 d4 15.e5 in the recent Kramnik-Leko, Tal Memorial, 2008, which ended in a 28-move draw. We are told that Topalov's novelty was found by Spanish GM Paco Vallejo Pons, who used to work with Anand.>

I guess it was found before the kramnik-Topalov match. Once the match is over, isnt it Paco's to use?

Sep-06-08  Hesam7: I guess this game might indicate that Anand wont play the QID in the Bonn match.
Sep-07-08  Sularus: i wish their ELO ratings were indicated.

for posterity.

Sep-15-08  Vladimir Zukhar: the positon:

zanshin: <Woody Wood Pusher>

Deep Rybka 3:

[+3.95] d=18 25...Qc6 26.Ng5 h5 27.Nxf7 Rxf7 28.Rxf7 Kxf7 29.Qxd8 Ne6 30.Qb8 Qd7 31.f4 Nc5 32.Qh8 Qe6 33.f5 Qe3 34.Rf2 Ne4 35.fxg6 Kxg6 36.Qe8 Kg7 37.Qe5 Kg8 38.Qd5 Kg7 39.Qf7 Kh8 (1:09.40)

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is this position not clearly a draw even tho +3.95 by Rybka?

white cannot go anywhere to escape the pin on the rook and other moves simply remove the rook by the knight?

normally +4. would win easy, no?

Sep-15-08  martinshortsays: <honza> I'm interested in this 22. Nd4 you speak of. Has anyone anything to say about that?
Sep-16-08  avidfan: After 25...Qa4 or Qb5 <26.Qh6> seems best since it precedes 27.Ng5 and 28.Qxh7.

But

25...Qc6 26.Ne5 Qe4 27.Ng4 Qc6 28.f4 Rd7 29.Rxe7 Nxe7 30.f6 Qc5+ 31.e3 and 32.Qh6 wins.

Sep-20-08  Black Pawn: The stunning point of this game is the continuation 25...Qc6 26.Ng5 h5 27.Nxf7 Rxf7 28.Rxf7 (discovery!) Kxf7 29.Qxd8, with the win of an Exchange and a pawn, which is of course winning. Star move 25.Rf1!
Oct-31-08  acirce: Topalov begins his New In Chess 2008/7 annotations with a dedication:

<This game is dedicated to Frederic Friedel, also known as the 'anonymous Dutch chess fan', winner of the MTV 2007 Award for the best chess video.>

Quite humorous you have to admit. I wonder if this is going to be a standing theme. Recall how he dedicated Topalov vs Kramnik, 2008 to <Martin Breutigam, German journalist, Pulitzer Prize winner for the best chess article in 2007.>

Feb-13-09  notyetagm: 15 ?


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Black has just captured a White knight on c3 with 14 ... ♗f6x♘c3. How do you recapture?

15 b2x♗c3!


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Topalov (White) played 15 b2x♗c3!, taking the Black c3-bishop with the White b2-pawn and *not* the White c2-queen.

If Topalov had preserved his queenside pawn structure with 15 ♕c2x♗c3?!, then 15 ... d5-d4 would have given Black a fine game.

(VAR)
15 ♕c2x♗c3?! d5-d4


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The important point is that while 15 b2x♗c3! split up the White queenside pawns, <<<15 b2x♗c3! also *increased* White's control over the critical d4-central square, thus preventing Black from playing the strong central expanding move 15 ... d5-d4.>>>

Could someone please post a <RYBKA 3 EVAL> of the two recaptures 15 b2x♗c3! and 15 ♕c2x♗c3?! ?

Thanks

Feb-13-09  notyetagm: http://chessmind.powerblogs.com/fil...

GC: <KNIGHT DISCOVERY ZWISCHENSCHACH>

<22.Nf3 c4? [<<<22...Nd4!>>> 23.Ne5 Nc6 24.f4 favors White, but the game isn't over.]>

Mar-21-10  znsprdx: <Woody Wood Pusher: Can anyone actually see a concrete win from the end position?>

One has to admit that Rf1 is a beautiful move - that I cannot imagine 99.9% of chess players ever finding - it has the Fischer-like quality

The up coming WC Match is going to the best since Rekjavik 1972

...I also found your Rd1 idea (initially trying it before the knight capture) but the problem is that White doesn't have to allow the Q check manouver by capturing the rook; instead Qf6 is curtains

ps. The Rybka ...Qc6 line is ridiculous in that a human would never allow the pin with 34. Rf2

Mar-29-10  ajile: I don't like the move 5..Bb7. Black pushes White's queen to a good square c2 with 4..Ba6 and then wastes another move to play 5..Bb7. This is illogical because White is already 1 move ahead. Black should just leave the bishop on a6 and keep developing quickly.
Mar-29-10  ajile: Note: With the more logical move 5..c6 White has only won 14% of their games in the database.

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Mar-29-10  Chess Network: This knight pivot to h4 eyeing f5 in addition to deploying the g2 bishop is very sharp. 2 holes on h6 & f6 coupled with 1 little piggy on the 7th did Anand in.
Apr-24-10  A Karpov Fan: Rf1, so simple, and yet...I missed it along with Anand lol
Apr-24-10  theodor: <<Vladimir Zukhar>: the positon:

zanshin: <Woody Wood Pusher>

Deep Rybka 3:

[+3.95] d=18 25...Qc6 26.Ng5 h5 27.Nxf7 Rxf7 28.Rxf7 Kxf7 29.Qxd8 Ne6 30.Qb8 Qd7 31.f4 Nc5 32.Qh8 Qe6 33.f5 Qe3 34.Rf2 Ne4 35.fxg6 Kxg6 36.Qe8 Kg7 37.Qe5 Kg8 38.Qd5 Kg7 39.Qf7 Kh8 (1:09.40)

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is this position not clearly a draw even tho +3.95 by Rybka?

white cannot go anywhere to escape the pin on the rook and other moves simply remove the rook by the knight?

normally +4. would win easy, no?> 40.Qxh5+;Kg7/8 41.Qf3!

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