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Teimour Radjabov vs Magnus Carlsen
Pearl Spring Chess Tournament (2009)  ·  Gruenfeld Defense: Exchange. Classical Variation (D86)  ·  1/2-1/2
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Oct-08-09
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  reyjf: Switch to Leko game?
Oct-08-09
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  twinlark:

Carlsen has won the tournament, but he'll be under the most <incredible> pressure in the last round to defeat Jakovenko, so he can attain his 2800 rating and life membership in the Immortal Chess Gods Hall of Fame.

Oct-08-09
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  Natalia Pogonina: <HeMateMe: <Natalie> any thoughts on the american women's championship currently underway? Have you a favorite?>

I'm following the EuroCup since many top GMs are playing there. For example, Peter Svidler drew IM Pedersen in the first round with Black, but then went on to beat Ivanchuk, Nakamura and Mamedyarov! Today he's playing Gelfand. Nice names, right?

I "know" that there's an American women's championship going on, but am not following the games. Just no interest as compared to Nanjing and EuroCup.

Oct-08-09  percyblakeney: <he'll be under the most <incredible> pressure in the last round to defeat Jakovenko, so he can attain his 2800 rating>

I don't think the pressure will be that big, there's time to reach 2800 sooner or later :-)

Oct-08-09  zarg: Congrats to Carlsen for winning Pearl Spring 09 Cat 21, with one round to go.

I think it has to be his best tourney performance ever, regardless of the result in the last round.

Oct-08-09
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  twinlark: <percy>

Sorry...I forgot that it's hard to see someone's tongue in their cheek when they're on the other side of the planet.

Oct-08-09  percyblakeney: <twinlark> Yep, I missed it :-)
Oct-08-09  mr.fisk: <zarg> Agreed, this beats Aerosvit 08, even with a last round loss.
Oct-08-09  percyblakeney: <this beats Aerosvit 08>

Yes, in Aerosvit he scored +5 (in 11 games), but his highest rated opponent was 2746 and five players were below 2690.

Oct-08-09
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  twinlark: <five players were below 2690.>

He was playing patzers in his early days.

Oct-08-09  Pjalle: <zarg> Yes, his previously best performance is considered to be Aeroswit in 2008 where he scored 8/11: http://ukrchess.org.ua/aerosvit2008... However the average rating of the players was 'only' 2711.
Oct-08-09
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  whiteshark: <twinlark: He was playing patzers in his early days.> I wonder if they will say the same for future tournaments?
Oct-08-09
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  moronovich: why this new avatar ,<whiteshark> ?
Oct-08-09  sheerTechnique: go Magnus, go
Oct-08-09  Progman: Have to say: EXCELLENT commentary by Natalia Pogonina today!
Oct-08-09
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  whiteshark: <moronovich> Certain dynamics starting from the Odd Lie page. :D
Oct-08-09  kakarot: <Pogonina: So far we have seen Carlsen version 2.0 at this tournament, who has been playing at 3019 level so far>

<jrlepage: Carlsen version 2.0 ??? Please Natalia, you're commenting on world's no 2 chess player...>

<Pogonina: #4 on the official (non-live) ratings & without a single tournament played at this level until now. So it's indeed version 2.0 - a much stronger Carlsen than ever before.>

<Mateo: <Natalia Pogonina: 12.h3 deviating from the main lines by playing a move which has never been considered top-level. Now Black usually continues development with b6 and Bb7> Gligoric and Spassky played it... Spassky even won a game against... Fischer in this very same variation.>

<Natalia Pogonina: <Mateo> - I mean it has never been the main weapon among top players. No wonder that someone played it a few times for the purpose of deviating from the opponent's home prep.>

<jrlepage: <without a single tournament played at this level until now> Something to think about when posting your comments. I really do think this should be taken into account when considering the big picture. Just a thought.>

<zarg: <jrlepage> Let it go. "Happiness is good health and bad memory">

sorry for this but I just couldn't resist.The brilliance of <zarg> <jrlepage> and <mateo> here was really something..really you guys..I wonder if you r blushing reading this because I can assure you I am..

P.S.
Just to make sure you get the picture (I m not sure you r smart enough for this) natalia just mentioned to carlsen as version 2 because carlsen's level of play has step up a lot since his last super-tournament..

Oct-08-09  Bradah: Ah,they are just excited as some Carlsen fan would do. I don't see anything wrong with it. There is something to get excited about. :o)
Oct-08-09  zarg: <kakarot>
Look up the word <sarcasm>.
Oct-08-09  SugarDom: <Bradah> It seems to me that Natalia cannot make a comment here about Carlsen without being criticized or contrued as an attack against their idol, unless she's praising him to high heavens....

Tpstar is wrong, we are not the cult here in Chessgames.com....

Oct-08-09
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  ajk68: Carlsen has never played a tournament at this level? What about Corus 2008? Or Carlsen has never played at the 3019 level before? - Especially with all the weak moves he has made in his wins here ;)
Oct-09-09  Bradah: <SugarDom: <Bradah> It seems to me that Natalia cannot make a comment here about Carlsen without being criticized or contrued as an attack against their idol, unless she's praising him to high heavens.... Tpstar is wrong, we are not the cult here in Chessgames.com....>

Another truth exposed...!?

Oct-09-09
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  tpstar: From 4 = MC Jealousy:

"Finally, Carlsen Fanboys will indeed make personal attacks (“pompous” “airy with the facts”) and even death threats (“if you want to remain undeleted”), but these are typically rare and only occur when someone doesn't get their way all of the time, and even then the worst thing they will do is fling off their bra and pummel you over the head with their bra. In stark contrast, the Wesley So Fan Cult will threaten to kill you."

Big difference.

Oct-09-09  zarg: <ajk68: Carlsen has never played a tournament at this level?>

Yes, Carlsen has played such a strong tourney before. Just look at this very impressive field at Bilbao 2008 (Cat 21):

<Live Rankings World
#1 Anand
#3 Carlsen
#4 Ivanchuk
#5 Topalov
#8 Radjabov
#9 Aronian>

Bilbao Grand Slam Chess Final (2008)

Topalov won, ahead of Carlsen and Aronian. That was a more impressive field than Pearl Spring 2009.

Oct-09-09  Bradah: <zarg: <ajk68: Carlsen has never played a tournament at this level?> Yes, Carlsen has played such a strong tourney before. Just look at this very impressive field at Bilbao 2008 (Cat 21):

<Live Rankings World
#1 Anand
#3 Carlsen
#4 Ivanchuk
#5 Topalov
#8 Radjabov
#9 Aronian>

Bilbao Grand Slam Chess Final (2008)

Topalov won, ahead of Carlsen and Aronian. That was a more impressive field than Pearl Spring 2009.>

What the heck are you talking about, Zarg, that was then, this is NOW. :o)

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