chessgames.com
Members · Prefs · Laboratory · Collections · Openings · Endgames · Sacrifices · History · Search Kibitzing · Kibitzer's Café · Chessforums · Tournament Index · Players · Kibitzing
Lilit Galojan vs Elisabeth Paehtz
European Club Cup (Women) (2009), Ohrid MKD, rd 7, Oct-10
Neo-Grünfeld Defense: Classical Variation. Modern Defense (D78)  ·  0-1

ANALYSIS [x]

FEN COPIED

explore this opening
find similar games 2 more L Galojan/E Paehtz games
sac: 38...Qh3 PGN: download | view | print Help: general | java-troubleshooting

TIP: All games have a Kibitzer's Corner provided for community discussion. If you have a question or comment about this game, register a free account so you can post there.

PGN Viewer:  What is this?
For help with this chess viewer, please see the Olga Chess Viewer Quickstart Guide.
PREMIUM MEMBERS CAN REQUEST COMPUTER ANALYSIS [more info]

Kibitzer's Corner
< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 2 OF 2 ·  Later Kibitzing>
Sep-17-19  Walter Glattke: I am back after computer repair, possible was still C) 41.Qe3 Rxe3+ 42.Rxe3 Qf1+ 43.Ke4 Qc4+ 44.Kf3 Qxc5 45.Re8+ Kg7 46.Rd8 Qxa5
Sep-17-19  whiteshark: It took me a minute or two to calculate it to the very end.
Sep-17-19  JimNorCal: <sfm>: "It is my duty to oppose supporters of this, and so my membership will not be renewed when it expires."

Can't argue with your logic. Not sure that non-members get in without ID though

Sep-17-19  ajile: lol I got 39..Qf5+ but was thinking I would get a perp not an actual win.

:o)

Jan-16-21  areknames: "Very difficult"?? 39...Qf5+ and White will get mated losing decisive material in the process.
Jan-16-21  areknames: Ok, I now see this was once a Tuesday puzzle. Nice little combination anyway.
Jan-16-21  KevinDenelsbeck: Really pretty little net there! Black looked hopelessly down in material but the Queen steals 2nd, then 3rd, then slides home with the win!
Jan-16-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  al wazir: Not so hard. There's nothing remotely promising except 39...Qf5+, after which black has to at least recover a rook. In fact black wins by just doing what comes naturally.
Jan-16-21  Transfinite Cardinal: Stunning check what a move, black's position was so perilous.
Jan-16-21  Walter Glattke: 39.-Qh1+ 40.Rg2 Qf1+ 41.Rf2 get draw only, 39.-Qf5+ 40.Qf4 Qxd3+ 41.Qe3 Rxe3+ 42.Rxe3 Qd5+ 43.Kf2 Qxd6 44.d7 Qf5+ (same position by Mel Gibson with 41.-Qd5+) 45.Rf3 Qxd7 46.Ke2 Qa4 getting several queens, perhaps five of them.
Jan-16-21  stacase: Way too easy for a Saturday.
Jan-16-21  agb2002: Level 2: 18...?
Kotov vs Smyslov, 1940


click for larger view

Jan-16-21  Brenin: Another easy one, 39 ... Qf5+ is fairly (Tuesday?) obvious. After 39 Qf4 Qxd3+ White needed 41 Qe3 to avoid the rather pretty mate, but then 41 ... Qd5+ 42 Kf2 Rxe3 Rxe3 43 Qxc5 is a win for Black.
Jan-16-21  goodevans: A Tuesday puzzle repeated on a Saturday?

Maybe they intended to start the puzzle at <37...?> black to play as per <An Englishman>'s suggestion on page 1 of the comments. Another woefully missed opportunity.

Jan-16-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  Korora: <Another "Ring Around The Rosie" mate.>

Given how in Xiangqi checkmate patterns have names like "Iron Bolt" or "Scooping Moon", this fits that sort of nomenclature.

Jan-16-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  chrisowen: Thinks agains toker Qf5 gotcha accommodate jacky a flusher photon beam thinks copout jamb thinks marbled agains bequeath daiquiri gentles think-sikh within fluxvary its poke gates thinks agains jilly jilt runny agains maw it hidz totadd flubbs foilable thinks agains hatchet goofy Qf5 blusher?
Jan-16-21  belgradegambit: Makes me feel smart to solve a Saturday puzzle. Chessgames.com is kind of an amateur site compared to chess24, chess.com or lichess. Maybe one of many retired here on this site could volunteer to run the POTD.
Jan-16-21  messachess: A number of ways to move around. You have to get the geometry right.
Jan-16-21  dhotts: The puzzle should start a couple moves earlier to be considered a 3 and half stars. Black's interesting mate threats for what appears at first glance as White being ahead with a passed pawn.
Jan-16-21  King.Arthur.Brazil: To escape this terrible trick, White must not allow Black to invade the 2nd rank. Therefore, going back to 33...cxd5, the answer must be 34. ♖xd5 For example, A)♕e7 35. ♖xd8 ♖xd8 36. ♖xd8 ♕xd8 37. ♕d5 ±, or B)34. ♖xd5 ♖xd5 35. exd5 ♖e2+ 36. ♔f3 and now 36...♕e7? loses the ♖ with 37. ♕xe2 or 36...♕e5 36. ♕d4... or 36...♕e7 36. ♖f1... I think that White underestimated the Black counter-attack, and lost the game by precipitation.
Jan-16-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  Jimfromprovidence: <belgrdegambit> <Makes me feel smart to solve a Saturday puzzle. Chessgames.com is kind of an amateur site compared to chess24, chess.com or lichess. Maybe one of many retired here on this site could volunteer to run the POTD.>

This is not a Saturday puzzle. CG has been running recycled puzzles from the week of September 15, 2019 the past three days at least. So we have seen the puzzle from Sunday September 15 this past Thursday, Monday September 16 yesterday and Tuesday September 17 today.

it's not the first time this has happened.

Jan-16-21  Nullifidian: The fact that this was a Tuesday puzzle explains it, because that's the actual level of difficulty. After 39... ♕f5+ 40. ♕f4 ♕xe3+, there are no good moves. 41. ♖e3 mates in 1, as in the game, 41. ♔g2 loses the rook to ♖xe2+, 41. ♔f2 is mate in 6 (41... ♕xe2+ 42. ♔g1 ♕e1+ 43. ♕f1 (♔g2/h2 ♖e2+ 44. ♕f2 ♕xf2+ with mate next move) ♕xg3+ 44. ♔h1 ♖e4 and now if the queen moves, then ♖e1+ leads to mate the next move, and if the queen stays put then ♖xh4+ does), and 41. ♕e3, which seems like the most robust defense, loses the queen for a rook immediately.

So how is this supposed to be "very difficult"?

Jan-16-21  Refused: 39...Qf5+
a)40.Qf4 Qxd3+ 41.Re3 Qf1#
a1) 41.Qe3 Rxe3 presumably relatively best, but after 42.Rxe3 Qd5+ this is just -+ b)40.Kg2 Rxe2+ 0-1

difficulty seems a bit off this week.

Jan-16-21
Premium Chessgames Member
  Breunor: It was hard because they told us it was a Saturday puzzle! I saw Qf5ch right away and was looking and looking, and saying 'There has to be more to it than that.' So this is a philosophical issue - it was hard because they told me it was hard!
Jan-17-21  Brenin: <Breunor>: For the time being, at least, I think one should forget the traditional POTD Monday to Sunday progression of difficulty, and treat each puzzle as it comes, without any preconceptions concerning its likely difficulty.
search thread:   
< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 2 OF 2 ·  Later Kibitzing>

NOTE: Create an account today to post replies and access other powerful features which are available only to registered users. Becoming a member is free, anonymous, and takes less than 1 minute! If you already have a username, then simply login login under your username now to join the discussion.

Please observe our posting guidelines:

  1. No obscene, racist, sexist, or profane language.
  2. No spamming, advertising, duplicate, or gibberish posts.
  3. No vitriolic or systematic personal attacks against other members.
  4. Nothing in violation of United States law.
  5. No cyberstalking or malicious posting of negative or private information (doxing/doxxing) of members.
  6. No trolling.
  7. The use of "sock puppet" accounts to circumvent disciplinary action taken by moderators, create a false impression of consensus or support, or stage conversations, is prohibited.
  8. Do not degrade Chessgames or any of it's staff/volunteers.

Please try to maintain a semblance of civility at all times.

Blow the Whistle

See something that violates our rules? Blow the whistle and inform a moderator.


NOTE: Please keep all discussion on-topic. This forum is for this specific game only. To discuss chess or this site in general, visit the Kibitzer's Café.

Messages posted by Chessgames members do not necessarily represent the views of Chessgames.com, its employees, or sponsors.
All moderator actions taken are ultimately at the sole discretion of the administration.

This game is type: CLASSICAL. Please report incorrect or missing information by submitting a correction slip to help us improve the quality of our content.

Home | About | Login | Logout | F.A.Q. | Profile | Preferences | Premium Membership | Kibitzer's Café | Biographer's Bistro | New Kibitzing | Chessforums | Tournament Index | Player Directory | Notable Games | World Chess Championships | Opening Explorer | Guess the Move | Game Collections | ChessBookie Game | Chessgames Challenge | Store | Privacy Notice | Contact Us

Copyright 2001-2025, Chessgames Services LLC