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Jul-29-10
 | | gawain: That was instructive! (I didn't solve it.) |
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| Jul-29-10 | | dzechiel: <CHESSTTCAMPS: <azax:> A very good post to kick off today's puzzle forum. You might want to enable your own forum.> <azax> is not yet a premium member, and will have to wait until that time to enable his forum. |
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| Jul-29-10 | | kevin86: Before proceeding,black must interpose f6-to prevent spite checks. Then he makes it impossible for white to save the game-either queen or rook goes. |
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Jul-29-10
 | | LIFE Master AJ: Black plays 38...f6! and White loses material. (The idea is to seperate the WQ from the protection of the Rook.) |
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| Jul-29-10 | | JG27Pyth: I'm surprised White didn't play <Dzechiel's> clearly stronger defensive line -- Young must have missed Black's (elementary) zwischenzug. |
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Jul-29-10
 | | chrisowen: IM A Young man guy in the mourning. Loud on covering back rank roof you spot planting f6 trapping the rook. Sun goes down starts the wane right after bishop take e1. White got gattered queen's a dead skunk or drops rook. Eek Re3 nicks it off fend er bumping cleric tricky Rf1 you resume. |
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| Jul-29-10 | | BOSTER: <Once> What is the reason to give the diagram <one move before the puzzles position to find out where white goes wrong>?
It would be nice if you with Fritz recomend another move ,not Re3. I guess, that white was wrong before this. |
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| Jul-29-10 | | redmaninaustin: <Once> I would like to meet these some people who use the adjective "tweazy." The consequences for their renegade vernacular would be merciless. |
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| Jul-29-10 | | dagwood2005: what about 38...Bd2! |
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| Jul-29-10 | | guybrush: This is perhaps one of the rare occasions where the move may be easier to spot OTB than as a puzzle move. Like many others I spent a long time trying to get Rxf1+ to work, before figuring out that f3 would let me remove the guard just as easy. |
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| Jul-29-10 | | rapidcitychess: Black to play
A Young vs Kamsky, 2010
38...?
38...f6 39.Qf4 Bd6 
I had other lines for demonstration ,but I don't need them for puzzles, only when teaching.<dagwood> The refutation is 39.Qd8+ with a perpetual. Don't feel bad, look at my first Sunday puzzle post. :) |
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| Jul-29-10 | | rossvassilev: how is this Caro-Kann? there's no c6 in this game. |
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| Jul-29-10 | | Once: <BOSTER> Instead of 38. Re3, Fritz wants to play: 38. Qd8+ (-1.5)
38. g4 (-2.5)
38. f4 (-2.6)
38. Qf4 (-3.6)
and then comes 38. Re3 with an eval of -3.88. So yes, white was struggling already, but 38. Re3 was definitely a mistake. <What is the reason to give the diagram one move before the puzzles position?> Because one of the main purposes of chessgames.com is to help us to learn. And what better way to learn than by exploring the causes of tactics, as well as the tactics themselves? And besides, wouldn't life be dull if every single kibitz gave nothing but the puzzle solution? |
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| Jul-29-10 | | Once: <rossvassilev: how is this Caro-Kann? there's no c6 in this game.> Yes, that puzzled me too. For that matter, it doesn't look like an English either, as white doesn't play c4. In fact, black plays c5 and white plays c3, so if anything, it looks to be a reversed English, Caro Kann defensive system. I think the answer might be that this is a transposition to a game which could have started 1. c4 c6. Look at the position after 11. cxd4: 
click for larger viewThe open c file and blocked d pawns could also arise from a sequence like 1. c4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. cd cd. The black bishop landing on g6 is also very common in caro kanns. So my guess is that this has been labelled as an English, Caro Kann defensive system because it has transposed into a position that the database recognise from games which start with 1. c4 c6. But it could equally have been called a Barcza opening (1. Nf3, 2. g3 and 3. Bg2 against just about anything that black plays in reply). |
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Jul-29-10
 | | scormus: <stuggling already ....> Yes, I'll say. I wonder what might have been going through Young's mind approaching move 40. Up against a player of Kamsky's stature, unable to prevent him taking control of more and more of the board, the time control situation .... a bit unsteady perhaps? But probably no worse than staring at a heavy points defeat at the start of Rd 12. |
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| Jul-29-10 | | BOSTER: <Once> <Fritz wants to play 38.Qd8+(-1.5) 38.Re3 was definitely a mistake>
Sometimes even strong players before time control (it was 38 move), and if opponent has only couple sec. on clock, play move expecting the blunder.
Maybe white played Re3 not because they did not see, what any patzer can see, but because they clearly understood that game was lost, and only chance to save game was move Re3, expecting Bd2. |
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Jul-29-10
 | | Jimfromprovidence: 36 Bxe1 does not seem forced, so how about 36 Rc1 first?
click for larger view Now the queen goes to say d7. Now 37 Bxe1 looks OK, where after 37...Rxe1 38 Rdd1 doubles up his rooks and maybe gains a tempo. 
click for larger view |
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| Jul-29-10 | | wals: What a great game! There was little more than half a pawn difference up to
move 36.Bxe1 -1.16, Rc1, -0.42 being the only better move.
White collapsed on move 38.Re3, -4.73.
Qd8 -1.16 would have kept the hopes alive. So for White it was a case of sing no sad songs for me, adios amore. |
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| Jul-29-10 | | MaczynskiPratten: <Once>, <CHESSTTCAMPS> - I agree both that 40 Rxe1 is the best of a bad lot as regards defences, and that I still don't like White's position after Bxf4 41 gxf4. Especially if Black now plays 41...Qc3. I remember Bill Hartston once described a Botvinnik-Bronstein game as "The Deciduous Game" - a position riddled with so many weak pawns that several of them would start dropping off sooner rather than later. This position definitely looks deciduous. |
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| Jul-29-10 | | suvhasis: After 39 ..... Bd6,
White should have played
40.Rxe1
This would have saved the unnecessary loss of the Bishop. But even then, Q vs. R+B is better in this situation, and wins. |
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| Jul-29-10 | | DarthStapler: I got the first move but I picked g5 instead of Bd6. Does g5 work? |
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Jul-29-10
 | | Phony Benoni: <DarthStapler> After <39.Qf4>:
click for larger view
39...g5 allows White to escape with 40.Qb8+. Instead, <39...Bd6> eliminates that resource. |
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| Jul-29-10 | | CHESSTTCAMPS: <dzechiel:><
<azax> is not yet a premium member, and will have to wait until that time to enable his forum.> Thanks, I forgot. A good reminder of the benefits of premium membership |
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| Jan-02-11 | | elohah: How to play (simple) Chess - 101
Taking over a file.
Learn it. |
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| Jul-29-12 | | JCRchess: Kamsky is purely overpowering in this particular Caro-Kann line ... 15.) Ne8! and -c- & -e- file dominance quickly ensues. |
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