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|Oct-14-10|| ||Domdaniel: And that's it. 65.f5 creates an odd kind of zugzwang, as 65...Kh8 loses to Qg7+|
|Oct-14-10|| ||lost in space: wow, what a comeback|
|Oct-14-10|| ||marcwordsmith: Question: Would this have been a draw if White did not have a second f pawn??|
|Oct-14-10|| ||whiteshark: <chessgames com> You can do better with this dancing rook: http://l0rdshrek.info/bilderhoster/...|
|Oct-14-10|| ||e4ia: Anyone know of a "classical" game in past five years where a 2700+ got mated?!
Anyway, Shirov avoided that, but not by much if his goal was to play 175 moves again!|
|Oct-14-10|| ||e4ia: <marcwordsmith: Question: Would this have been a draw if White did not have a second f pawn??>|
No, I don't think so <marc>..but which f pawn? I assume you mean f5...and also what is the W queen posit, and who's on move, well the position!
Basically, w/out pawn f5, the Q can give more tactical checks which may lose a piece for black.
But who's on move and in what position has to be put forth by you first....
to have a reasonable/accurate answer to yours.
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|Oct-14-10|| ||Eyal: In the final position, Black is in zugzwang and has to lose the d-pawn, since 65...Kh8 would lose immediately to 66.Qg7+! (that's why he moved the king to h7 on move 64). Then, White marches the king to c6 and plays Qg7+, e.g. 65... Rc7 66. Kxd3 Rd7+ 67. Kc4 Ra7 68. Kd5 Ra5+ 69. Kc6 Ra7 70. Qg7+! Rxg7 71. fxg7 (the point of Kc6 - the knight can't escape to d7) Kg8 72. gxf8=Q+ Kxf8 etc.|
|Oct-14-10|| ||goldenbear: I haven't read the previous comments, but quickly perusing the game I have to say I liked Shirov's defence until 27.f6. Doesn't c6 work?|
|Oct-14-10|| ||goldenbear: Oh, I see. 27.c6, then e5! Is that it?|
|Oct-14-10|| ||polarmis: Here's the final version (I hope!) of Sergey Shipov's commentary on the game: http://www.chessintranslation.com/2...|
|Oct-14-10|| ||notyetagm: 29.Qd2! A nice way to evict the Black queen, thanks to the threat of Ra1.|
|Oct-14-10|| ||Hesam7: Very interesting game from standpoint of opening theory. For me there were two surprises:|
(A) By playing 11. h3 Carlsen did not allow the sharp pawn sacrifice: 11. Na3 O-O! 12. Nxb5 exd4 (12. ... Bg4 is another option) 13. cxd4 Bg4 14. Ra4! etc.
(B) I do not like Shirov's 12. ... h6. He had two other options and with one of them he himself has been successful so is there something we don't know? Or was he trying to improve? I don't know. Anyway here are the moves theory recommends for Black:
(B1) 12. ... Re8 as played by Anand in Anand vs Topalov, 1998. I guess the result of the game discouraged players from playing the rook move but according to Svidler's analysis Black's play in that game can be improved with 21. ... Bd7!? 22. Ra3 Rb4 23. Rg3 Bf5 and Svidler thinks the position is unclear.
(B2) The other more commonly played option is 12. ... Bb7, in fact Shirov himself has played this move twice with success! The main line is: 13. Na3 exd4 14. cxd4 Na5 15. Bc2 b4 16. Nb1 c5 17. Bg5 h6 18. Bh4 cxd4! 19. Qd3 (19. Nbd2?! Re8! played in Anand vs Shirov, 1998 is considered bad for White, Black is already slightly better; 19. Nxd4 b3 20. Nxb3 Nxb3 21. Bxb3 g5 22. Bg3 Nxe4 23. Qd3 d5 leads to equality):
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And Black is doing very well from the above diagram: Hracek vs Kiril Georgiev, 1998, Navara vs Shirov, 2007, Hracek vs M M Mueller, 2010.
|Oct-14-10|| ||AuN1: it took a shirov playing meekly as black to pull carlsen out of his slump.|
|Oct-14-10|| ||socratead: <marcwordsmith: Question: Would this have been a draw if White did not have a second f pawn??>
I think you are right. I don't see the winning line without the second f pawn.|
|Oct-15-10|| ||Eyal: <goldenbear: I liked Shirov's defence until 27.f6. Doesn't c6 work? Oh, I see. 27.c6, then e5! Is that it?>|
No - simply 28.Rg1, and the pressure on the g-file is decisive: 28...f6 (28...g5 29.Rxg5+! and mate) 29.Qxh6 and Black is helpless - 29...Rf7 30.e5! Qxc2 (30...Nxe5 31.Qh7+ Kf8 32.Ra1; 30...dxe5 31.Qh7+ Kf8 32.d6) 31.e6.
|Oct-15-10|| ||Matsumoto: Very strong play by Magnus! Moreover, this game is certainly not a matter of lucking out. Alexi played well, but Magnus was simply stronger and more farsighted.|
|Oct-15-10|| ||morphy2010: To put the attacking wizard of Shirov to shame like this is simply remarkable!! From the opening he didnt stand a chance, Carlson is the new Paul Morphy!|
|Oct-15-10|| ||crazybird: 17. a7 sounds like Kasparov to me|
|Oct-15-10|| ||kingscrusher: I have video annotated this game:
|Oct-15-10|| ||Albertan: I have analyzed this game with the help of Deep Rybka 4 x64, Chessbase 10, and Chessbase Megadatabase 2010, and posted this analysis to the first page of my blog using the program Chessviewer Deluxe. This is game number 21 in the Chessviewer Deluxe game index. I hope you drop by and play through this analysis at:http://albertan1956.blogspot.com/|
|Oct-15-10|| ||NARC: This looks a little like an Evan's gambit by Chigorin.|
|Oct-16-10|| ||researchj: MC: "of course you don't bury a knight on a7 without home preparation". From the press conference.|
|Oct-16-10|| ||polarmis: Shipov on that move (link above):
<17. Na7 Miraculous agility! White is exploiting the fact that the b6 bishop is overburdened with responsibilities. Such tricks, carried out so quickly, can only be played by a man who’s studied the position in depth at home. That hypothesis is confirmed by a glance at the clocks: 1.24 – 0.52.>
|Oct-29-10|| ||whiteshark: <lost in space: Is there any example of a <quatro-pawn>? I know one game between botwinnik and Smyslov with a tripple pawn for white on the f-file and a tripple pawn for black on the c-file.>|
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after <22.bxc4> in
[Event "Balatonbereny op"]
[White "Kovacs, Gabor"]
[Black "Barth, Rainer"]
1. e4 Nf6 2. Nc3 d5 3. exd5 Nxd5 4. Bc4 c6 5. d4 g6 6. Nge2 Be6 7. Bb3 Nxc3 8.
bxc3 Bxb3 9. axb3 Bg7 10. O-O O-O 11. f4 Na6 12. Ba3 Re8 13. Qd3 Qb6 14. f5 c5
15. fxg6 fxg6 16. Qc4+ e6 17. dxc5 Qc6 18. Rad1 b5 19. Nd4 Qxg2+ 20. Kxg2 bxc4
21. Nb5 Reb8 22. bxc4 Rc8 23. Nd6 Rc6 24. Ne4 Rac8 25. Rd7 R6c7 26. Rd6 Rc6 27.
Rfd1 Bf8 28. Rxc6 Rxc6 29. Rd8 Kf7 30. Rd7+ Be7 31. Rxa7 h6 32. Bc1 g5 33. h4
gxh4 34. Bf4 e5 35. Bxe5 Re6 36. Nd6+ Kg6 37. Bd4 Nb8 38. Ra8 Nc6 39. Rg8+ Kh5
40. Nf5 Rg6+ 41. Rxg6 Kxg6 42. Nxe7+ Nxe7 43. Kh3 Nc6 44. Kxh4 1/2-1/2
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