|
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 21 OF 21 ·
Later Kibitzing> |
| May-08-11 | | lost in space: Had to leave when Topa had clear advantage (round about move 20; I am shocked that he was not able to transpose this into a win. I stared looking for the mistake(s) and came to the conclusion that the final one was 45. Bf1 (much better was 45. Kh2). He already made second best moves before, but always good enough to keep a clear advantage. Kamsky is the well deserved winner. |
|
May-08-11
 | | HeMateMe: I guess this game will wake up G-Kam. You just got the feeling, when his pieces were sort of drifting, and the Knights had to stay connected, to remain safe, that something was wrong. Surprising that Topalov couldn't find the best finish. The hard work/ analysis must have been getting his queen into blacks's position. Well, we are all mortals.
Congrats to Gata for making the finals. I expect the games with Gelfand to have a bit less tension. I don't think Topalov is particularly well liked among the players, but his chess talents are respected. |
|
| May-08-11 | | frogbert: i still think kamsky would've won if this had gone to tie-breaks. but i was indeed surprised that topalov wasn't able to convert when his pressure over 30 moves was rewarded just before the first time control. and to those attributing "nerves" as the reason kamsky why made his few mistakes before move 40: kamsky went wrong due to being short on time in a very difficult position. kamsky's nerves appear to be very good to me, while topalov is the one who appears to have a problem with keeping his cool in critical situations. |
|
| May-08-11 | | bumpmobile: Kamsky: "Well that was easy. I guess I don't have to work on my clock management after all!" |
|
| May-08-11 | | Gypsy: <frogbert> Yes, that is how kibitzers here also called it during the game: Kamsky misplayed his position when about to flag. Topalov, on the other hand, misplayed his winning advantage (a big conjecture, of course) because he could not quite summon all of his former mental reserves. (Simply put, his confidence is shot.) |
|
| May-08-11 | | frogbert: gypsy, yeah probably most of the kibitzers were of that opinion. i did see someone talking about kamsky "blundering due to nerves" - which i consider to be a misconception. he went wrong because he was already worse and low on time. quite a usual combo, actually. :o) [i read back about 10 pages of kibitzing before i posted my first comment, btw.] |
|
| May-08-11 | | dumbgai: I didn't get to watch this game live, but Kamsky's sneaky counterattack to secure the draw is very nice. |
|
| May-08-11 | | wordfunph: Gata was losing when i left, engine says +5 olahlahh.. ..and Gata aka <DarkNolan> enters the magic 4! |
|
| May-08-11 | | Hesam7: <Gypsy: <frogbert> Yes, that is how kibitzers here also called it during the game: Kamsky misplayed his position when about to flag. Topalov, on the other hand, misplayed his winning advantage (a big conjecture, of course) because he could not quite summon all of his former mental reserves. (Simply put, his confidence is shot.)> The fact that Topalov was winning is not a "big conjecture". He was winning after 38. ... N7c6?? until he returned the favor by playing: 45. Bf1?? |
|
May-08-11
 | | Peligroso Patzer: <Hesam7: *** The fact that Topalov was winning is not a "big conjecture". He was winning after 38. ... N7c6?? until he returned the favor by playing: 45. Bf1??> If Topalov had played <45. Kh2>, and then after <45. ... Qe2> (Black here would have had nothing better than to play this move repeating the position that arose after <43. ... Kf8>) continued from this position: 
click for larger view
... with <46. Qh6+> (which also could have been played in the same position on move 44), engine evaluations give a big advantage to White, but I have not seen a convincing set of variations. (Such variations may exist, but I have not seen them in this thread or elsewhere so far.) It is possible that Topalov's last clear chance to win would have been <42. Bd4>, as analyzed by Shipov and quoted in my earlier post, above (which was quoting a post from another thread by <artemis>). |
|
| May-08-11 | | polarmis: I just got round to watching the press conference now and Kamsky pointed out the Bd4 win himself (exchanging a defender), so he'd clearly seen it. He said the other line won as well but not as easily. It was funny as Kamsky started off speaking English "I really screwed up in the opening..." until he was asked to switch to Russian. He thought Topalov played a bit slowly and allowed him to almost equalise (after ...c4), though he knew he'd blundered in his time trouble. He said what happened after that was a miracle. A journalist asked who he had to thank for it. He replied, "Veselin". Topalov said when you don't win positions like that, with plenty of time, you don't deserve to get any further or be challenging for the World Championship. He said it was "impossible" not to win. He was a bit despondent, obviously. Another interesting thing was that he said in game 2, on move 2 (!) he'd forgotten the analysis he'd done with his seconds that morning. He said maybe it was a lack of concentration, but dismissed the suggestion that it was because he hadn't played much recently... saying that he should still have won blindfold with 10 seconds to move in that position. |
|
| May-08-11 | | crazybird: It's nice of Topalov to attend press conference despite his match loss. Doesn't always happen with the top players. |
|
May-08-11
 | | tamar: I thought that too <crazybird> He probably would have been better off to skip it though. |
|
May-08-11
 | | chancho: Vesko was winning and he dropped the ball with a few yards to the endzone.
Too bad for him. |
|
| May-08-11 | | superstoned: But great for GM Kamsky. Go Gata!! |
|
| May-08-11 | | talisman: this was posted a long time ago...44. ♔g1? .....somebody explain! |
|
| May-08-11 | | Sinoda: I thought GM Kamsky had much difficulty even at the early stage of the game and would likely lose -- he spent around 45 minutes deciphering his 6th move. But he salvaged a draw. He showed though his better handling skills on black pieces. |
|
May-09-11
| | chancho: Depression:
http://www.chessbase.com/news/2011/... |
|
| May-09-11 | | Pygeum Lycopene: what was the better choice that Kamsky had at move 38 instead of <38. ... N7c6??> |
|
| May-09-11 | | Atking: <Pygeum Lycopene: what was the better choice that Kamsky had at move 38 instead of <38. ... N7c6??>> To active the Ba2 by 38...Bb3 (~Bc2 xe4 or in defense ~ Ba4) was suggested. |
|
| May-09-11 | | Gypsy: <Hesam7: ... The fact that Topalov was winning is not a "big conjecture". > No, that Topalov had a win is not a conjecture; the "big conjecture" has been the reason for why he blew his winning advantage. |
|
| May-09-11 | | polarmis: Here's my final version of Sergey Shipov's commentary on this game: http://www.chessintranslation.com/2... |
|
| May-09-11 | | alekhinist: I left after the first time control was reached because I thought Kamsky was just lost, Houdini agreed =). I was pleasantly surprised that the game ended in a draw. |
|
| May-29-11 | | APatzer: which sphere do you shake ... |
|
| Dec-21-11 | | notyetagm: http://www.newinchess.com/Shop/Prod... |
|
 |
|
|
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 21 OF 21 ·
Later Kibitzing> |
Kibitzing
