|May-16-11|| ||mindfreakkk: Good game!|
|May-16-11|| ||Karpova: If Grischuk gets that far, he'll need a better strategy than drawing classical & rapid, hoping for blitz games, to stand a chance against Anand.|
|May-16-11|| ||Refused: But I have to admit, I find an 8 move short draw, where everybody expected him to play for a win with white somewhat epic (in the sense of funny).
At least it gave me a good laugh :)|
|May-16-11|| ||gropek: that was an epic game!
Move 7 for black could become a sunday puzzle, instantly equalizing the game... gris had no choice
|May-16-11|| ||Refused: nah, you did not get my point.
All lot of nerdy kids and adults sitting behind their pc, waiting for Grischuk to play for a win with white in the final rapid game, and he just offers a draw @ move 8 and the whole internet crowd wants his head on a platter. I find that pretty funny. Just look at the tournament page :')
I bet if Grischuk reads those comments, he will probably burst out laughing.
|May-16-11|| ||kappertjes: To protest the format, either you do as Carlsen did, or you do as Grischuk does. |
I think these draws are Grischuk's middle-finger to the FIDE.
|May-16-11|| ||Scarecrow: You gotta love this game methinks. Fifteen ply of high anxiety. I mean really, what does it tell us about the players? Kramnik, faced with this draw offer on move 8, must have been even more afraid of Grischuk with this mentality than Grischuk in blitz to accept. Kramnik really must have resigned to a loss already, choosing to go to blitz where he barely survived in the previous round. And then Grischuk, he must have been really bored and thinking, why should we play such a long game as a rapid, let's go to blitz. The fact that these guys are the world championship candidates amuses me beyond proportions. They do have style I say. Kramnik's saying <a painter never asks people what they want to see> is clearly demonstrated here. I also agree with the opinions above (ie. <epic> and <middle finger>).|
|May-16-11|| ||tpstar: Yeah (1. d4 Nf6), aha (2. c4 e6)/Yeah (3. Nf3 d5), aha aha (4. Nc3 Be7)/Yeah (5. Bf4 0-0), aha (6. e3 Nbd7)/Yeah (7. c5 Nh5), aha aha (8. Bd3 1/2-1/2) - Midi, Maxi & Efti, "Bad Bad Boys"|
|May-16-11|| ||amadeus: Grischuk's Immortal?|
|May-16-11|| ||SamAtoms1980: If Aronian doesn't #$%& up Game 1, Grischuk isn't even here. Grischuk is in no position and has no right to give FIDE the middle finger.|
|May-16-11|| ||HeMateMe: If would've's were, and/
Maybes could save me/
We'ed all be happerER.
|May-16-11|| ||kappertjes: @SamAtoms1980
Given their record, everyone has the right to give the FIDE their middle finger. This is even more true since they came up with this format This alone gives Grischuk more right than most. I still consider his 'games' with white a statement as much as a strategy.
|May-16-11|| ||HeMateMe: Kasparov had a "strategy" too, in 1984. He drew Karpov in 33 straight games, to try and exhaust his opponent, Anatoly Karpov. Kasparov ended up winning the discontinued match, and becoming world champion.|
It appears that playing draws in match play can be the correct strategy.
|May-17-11|| ||Caissanist: Actually it was 35 draws out of 37, but yes, Grischuk's strategy here does seem reminiscent of that.|
|May-17-11|| ||Caissanist: Grischuk isn't giving the finger to anybody, he's just using a smart strategy in a dumb format. Also, he didn't have a lot of time to prepare since he was an eleventh-hour replacement for Carlsen. He seems to have concentrated his preparation on ensuring he can draw the classical games with black, so he can take his chances in the tiebreaks. |
I am reminded of Evans' comment when Reshevsky was accused of boring his opponents to death: "If that is a new way of winning, then I would like to learn it."
|May-17-11|| ||profK: Is this the shortest game in a pseudo candidates series ??? Where hideth valour and adventure? Obviously not here !!!|
|May-18-11|| ||lopium: It's just the training for the world championship.
You don't expect 100 m runners to break the world record before the final :)|
|May-31-11|| ||goking: Epic!!!|
|Dec-16-11|| ||swissfed: Alexander Grischuk .: <Probably only lazy people have failed to write about that draw in eight moves with White. But you have to understand, in a situation where I was getting almost nothing with the white pieces I could see only three options! The first was to make a draw cynically, which in the end is what I did. The second was again to fix a draw, by and large cynically, but by playing on, let¡¦s say, until the 39th move, by which I mean pretending to play, but still with a 99% probability that it would end in a draw. >|
.: Plus something might, nevertheless, go wrong.
Alexander Grischuk .: <Yes, I might still blunder and lose. Well, and the third option ¡V to go for a fully-fledged fight in a worse position. But why should I do that if the score was even? Everyone now keeps writing about that draw in eight moves. Well OK, but what about the Carlsen ¡V Radjabov game just now, which lasted for around forty moves, although essentially there were zero moves there! Neither side had the slightest chance of winning or losing! So of course I could have pretended, while knowing there wasn¡¦t a single chance, but I decided to do it my way.>
|Dec-16-11|| ||polarmis: <swissfed>, I've meant to say this for a while (and it would've been better to time it to coincide with something I've got no involvement with!), but why not give links to what you quote!? e.g. in this case: http://whychess.org/node/720|
|Dec-16-11|| ||swissfed: thx <polarmis> !|