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Tiger Hillarp Persson vs Torbjorn Thomsen
Nordic Grand Prix (1997), Torshavn, rd 1
Semi-Slav Defense: General (D43)  ·  1-0
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Jan-10-13  Bartimaeus: <LTJ : I see you joined <CG> recently. How have you found your experience on the site up to now?>

Joined about few months back though I've followed the kibitzes on this site from some time before that. I love the game and derive pleasure analyzing positions. I've observed that this site has quite some like-minded folks.

The daily CG puzzle provides a nice recreation for me to get away from work. Its fun analyzing positions as a group as often together we can try to deconstruct a position. Individually, not many of us (atleast not me) has the ability to completely decipher games played by the great masters but together we can perhaps get further. Moreover, i prefer thinking through lines on my own rather than using engines as i feel that we build better conceptual understanding and get more insights via this route. In analyzing positions, the journey seems to be of equal if not of more importance than the destination.

Apart from the daily puzzle, I follow few other player forums though work doesn't permit enough time to devote to these. I also see some harsh arguments on different forum pages which saddens me a bit but i suppose its inevitable given so many folks coming with different viewpoints. Overall, the experience on this forum has been quite good; enriching and fun. Thanks for the welcome. Lets see how the journey goes :)

Jan-10-13  FrogC: <FSR:the GOOT 20.Nxe6, threatening 21.Rh1#, when 20...Rxf6 21.exf6 doesn't help Black's cause>

This was the only line I saw, and I'm glad it seems to work. 20...Rxf6 in fact allows 21.Rh1# in any case. 20...Qxf6 postpones the mate for one move.

Jan-10-13
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  SuperPatzer77: <FSR: Nah - 20.Rdh1! (threatening both 21.Rg7+ Kf8 22.Rh8# and 21.Rh8+ Kf7 22.R1h7#) still crushes. On 20...Qf8, White wins with simply 21.Kxc2 or 21.Rh8+ Kf7 22.R1h7+ Ke8 23.d7+ Kd8 24.Rxf8+ Kc7 25.d8(Q)#. >

<FSR> Yes, you're right about that.

19. exf6 (<Patriot>'s line) Nxc2, 20. Rdh1!! (threatening 21. Rg7+ and 22. Rh8#) Qxf6, 21. Nxf6+ Kf8, 22. Re7 mates next move.

<FSR> Thanks for correcting me - I've overlooked 20. Rdh1!!

SuperPatzer77

Jan-10-13  LoveThatJoker: <Bartimaeus> Thanks for your reply!

Wow, what a great writing style you have. This is primarily the case because I find the content of your note to me to have a great reverence for objectivity/the objective.

I really appreciate that!

I can tell already that this site has another great member here in you!

Cheers,

LTJ

Jan-10-13  Bartimaeus: <LTJ> Thanks for the compliment. Looking forward to a brain churner Friday.
Jan-10-13  zealouspawn: Seems like everyone is following up the line
18 Rxh7 Kxh7
19 Ng5+ Kh6

but I found 20 Nxe6 rather than 20 Rh1+

Upon 20 Nxe6 (a "quiet" move), Rh1 mate is threatened.

20.. Kh5 21. Qe2+ Kh4 (or Kh6) 22. Rh1#
20.. Kh7 21. Rh1+ Kg8 22. Qxg6#

Jan-10-13  mistreaver: White to play. Thursday. Medium.18?
18 Rxh7 Kxh7
(18...Nxc2 19 Rg7+ and 20 Rh1 mate)
19 Ng5+
a)19... Kg8
20 Qxg6
b)19... Kh8
20 Rh1+
c)19...Kh6
20 Rh1+ Kxg5
21 f4+ Kg4
22 Qe2+
Time to check.
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Jan-10-13  mistreaver: Qxg6 was quicker but i saw the corect line. Therefore 3/4 this week, due to missing Wednsday's puzzle. It would all be nice if i didn't crash my chesscube rating for 200 points.
Jan-10-13  haydn20: It's amazing to me that a player at 2170 could play a move as bad as 10...Nxe5. The punishment is swift accurate & severe. BTW, I don't like 6...Be7. 6...Qa4 seems more active.
Jan-10-13
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Jan-10-13
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  SuperPatzer77: <Patriot> Your line is accurate - (<FSR> corrected me)

a) 18...Rxf6, 19. exf6! Nxc2 (nice try), 20. Rdh1!! (threatening Rg7+ and then Rh8#) Qxf6, 21. Nxf6+ Kf8, 22. Re7 mates next move.

b) 18...Rxf6, 19. exf6! Nxc2, 21. Rdh1!! (threatening Rg7+ and then Rh8#) Qf8, 22. Rh8+ Kf7, 23. R1h7+ Ke8, 24. Re7+ Kd8, 25. Rxf8#

c) 18...Rxf6, 19. exf6! Kxh7, 20. Ng5+ Kh6, 21. Nf7+ Kh5, 22. Qe2+ Kh4, 23. Rh1#

I thought 19. exf6 was a mistake but it is NOT - <FSR>'s commentary>

I was wrong about 19. exf6. Sorry about that, <Patriot>

SuperPatzer77

Jan-10-13  Sleeping kitten: White's position is so strong that even after 18. ♖xh7 ♘xc2 he can afford to miss mate and play 19. ♘g5. The only defence against the imminent mate with 20. ♖dh1 is 19... ♕xf6 20. exf6 and White wins material either with 20... ♘b4 21. f7+ (21. ♖dh1 wins too) or 20... ♖xf6 21. ♔xc2 ♖f5 22. ♖dh1.
Jan-10-13
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  Robin01: 18.Rxh7 Kxh7, and then how about 19.Rh1+ Kg8 20.Qd1 etc. Does this work for white?
Jan-10-13
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  kevin86: Rxh7 and black can take the queen only on penalty of mate.The rest follows smoothly.
Jan-10-13  snakebyt: Brain tease. I didn't get this. I tried every iteration I could think of where ...RXh7 and Wht responding by taking the uncomfortably close R wasn't even a consideration. Why would he BldK do that? It seemed smarter to take the sitting duck WhtQ then figure it all out from there. Bringing Wht Rook over to the h file to protect Rh7 is an option but not a mortal threat still if BlkK doesn't bite. Or the obvious Ne4 move to g5 which socks in BlkK.
Jan-10-13  scormus: <FSR: Amazing position White has managed to get: two pawns up, two monster protected passed pawns on the sixth rank near Black's king, and an open h-file>

Yes, and he'd only played 17 moves by then :O

The # threats are so overpowering that I didn't even notice the WQ was en pris ....

Jan-10-13  BOSTER: I don't see the puzzle here, but it is nice to have eight white pawns in the game untill move 18.
Jan-10-13  dfcx: I found 18. Ng5 Nxc2
19. Rxh7
a) 19...Rxf6 20. Rdh1 mates
b) 19...Qxf6, 20. exf6 Rxf6 21. Rdh1 Rf5 22. Rh8+ followed by Rxa1

It's not as quick as 18. Rxh7, but wins.

Jan-10-13  dfcx: < snakebyt: ...It seemed smarter to take the sitting duck WhtQ then figure it all out from there>

because
18. Rxh7 Nxc2 19 Rg7+ Kh8 20 Rh1#

Jan-10-13
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  Castleinthesky: It's a rarity, but I actually saw the entire combination. The synapses are at least at 30 watts today.
Jan-10-13  BlackSheep: The obvious opener is Rxh7 granting the Q immunity for a move due to the mate threat , the only problem I can see is Rf7 all other moves fail but this one bugs me Rxf7 , Kxf7 , Ng5+ , Ke8 , Qxg6+ , Kd7 , Qf7+ , Kc8 , d7+ , Kb8/b7 , Nxe6 threatening the Queen on d8 and now black falls to pieces but is still not mated unless of course I'm missing something other than my marbles .
Jan-10-13  galdur: Nasty. 18. Rh7 Kxh7 19. Ng5+ Kg6 20. f4 Kg4 21. Qxg6 mate.
Jan-10-13  Patriot: <<SuperPatzer77> I was wrong about 19. exf6. Sorry about that, <Patriot>> No problem--I'm glad you brought it up! It's clear from your analysis and <FSR> there was more to it than what I wrote. I really needed to go into that line deeper and look at black's options because it was presumptuous when I wrote <18...Rxf6 19.exf6! Kxh7 20.Ng6+ wins as before.>. If there is any excuse I guess it's the fact I was very tired at the time. Thanks to both of you!
Jan-10-13
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  SuperPatzer77: <Patriot> My pleasure, dude! Thanks to <FSR> for correcting me on that.

Yeah, I sure understand your weariness. I hope you'll get a second wind soon.

Gee, it's a lot of fun analyzing this awesome game, <Patriot>

Good night, <Patriot>

SuperPatzer77

Jan-10-13  Patriot: <SuperPatzer77> I wanted to add, your line after 18.Rxh7 Rxf6 19.Nxf6+, <19...Qxf6, 20. exf6 Nxc2, 21. Rg7+ Kf8, 22. Rh1! mates next move.>, is much easier! I remember looking at 19.Nxf6+ but for some reason rejected it because of 19...Qxf6 before I even had a chance to analyze it. I showed the problem to Dan and after pointing out 18...Rxf6, he said "Then you could just play...(the line you mentioned)".

Again, thanks and good night!

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