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|Nov-19-11|| ||SteinitzLives: Nepo - Naka a draw, official. Engines think Naka messed up on last move, will have to see it for myself.|
|Nov-19-11|| ||Marmot PFL: <steinitz> was already draw by then, naka may have erred taking 54...Kxc4 too soon when white has f5 break, till then he was in charge|
|Nov-19-11|| ||hms123: <SteinitzLives> It was a tablebase draw some moves back. Try this site: http://www.shredderchess.com/online...|
|Nov-19-11|| ||haydn20: White may still have some tricks like offering the N to sneak the gP in or just pick up a tempo.|
|Nov-19-11|| ||SteinitzLives: Played through the analysis , no matter what Naka did, it was a draw. The white K on the a file stays out of the checking Rs' way. Now I recall seeing this in an endgame book (after the fact of course ;-)|
|Nov-19-11|| ||SteinitzLives: 3rd time control reached in this game, Karjak should have enough tiome to see any tricks.|
|Nov-19-11|| ||Marmot PFL: carlsen not looking so happy, of course he knows winning the knight for the g pawn is not much use now|
|Nov-19-11|| ||SteinitzLives: Yes, King position is key and blacks' got it.|
|Nov-19-11|| ||haydn20: 60...a4 61. Nd6+ picks up a tempo--could mean something.|
|Nov-19-11|| ||Marmot PFL: after 3 wins yesterday, i figured it would be a good day to bet draws, but got up too late to do it.|
|Nov-19-11|| ||SteinitzLives: No break through available for either side, time to conserve energy for the next round.|
|Nov-19-11|| ||haydn20: 62. Nb1 was the last sucker play but 62....Nd4 ends it all.|
|Nov-19-11|| ||SCUBA diver: 63. N-c3+ and 64. K-e4|
|Nov-19-11|| ||Marmot PFL: there u have it, no change in standings today|
|Nov-19-11|| ||whiteshark: Good fight, anyway!
Thanks for the broadcast, <chessgames.com>!!
|Nov-19-11|| ||Administrator: Thanks to everyone for watching and commenting on today's game. Our coverage of the Tal Memorial continues tomorrow at 6:AM USA/Eastern time. Hope to see you then.|
|Nov-19-11|| ||zarg: <From my limited exsperience with the Norweigan culture (mostly through this site and various small encounters), they tend to be a laid back people.>|
Difficult to generalize, but we don't have bottomless respect for authority, there is a strong will for independence and making our own decisions. Not the best country for very authoritative leaders, in many other countries people do question orders less.
So yes, I expect there was a clash of culture, ego, style, attitude...
|Nov-19-11|| ||frogbert: missed opportunities, in reverse order:
61. Nd6+!? (practical problems for black)
51. Rf3!? (seemingly wins pawn, poses practical problems)
46. Ne1! (wins pawn = big practical problems for black, drawable)
39. Nxh4! (appears to be winning for white)
37. hxg5! (tactical win for white, possibly difficult to get right otb)
in short: a bit too many missed opportunities in one game. i guess carlsen must be a bit tired after the 3 first games.
|Nov-19-11|| ||anandrulez: Karjakin on his part missed some strong continuations after getting some advantage in the opening .|
Kg7Rh8 was a wrong idea . It gave white a strong Rf4 outpost .
Karjakins d5 break looked incorrect also his d4 push .
Overall tighly contested games which had Carlsen playing a slighlty inferior position after opening but defending pretty well and Karjakin overestimating his chances with Kg7! This was like Gelfand over estimating his chances with Rg1 . Instaed of Kg7 , Karjakin should have went to damage control move Ne8 after which white is just marginally better if anything .
|Nov-19-11|| ||Ulhumbrus: 39 Rxh4 devalues White's King side pawns without gaining control of the h file. This suggests 39 gxh4|
|Nov-19-11|| ||frogbert: 39. Nxh4 frees the f3 square and makes it much easier to eat black's e3 pawn - and it has tactical threats (Ng6+ etc.)|
39. gxh4!? Qg6 40. Rh3 Rg8 isn't immediately clear, although probably also winning for white.
i assume carlsen thought Rxh4 and the ensuing end game was winning by force, or he probably wouldn't have entered it. my primary candidate for what he missed, is the nice move 45... e2! that karjakin played.
|Nov-19-11|| ||Everett: <PYCJacobson: Kasparov and Carlsen have two huge egos, have sour personalities, with one who (rightfully) thinks he has achieved everything in chess and the other who wants to achieve even more. That is a recipe for disaster, in my humble opinion>|
Perhaps Kasparov split with Carlsen because he realized he was working with the second coming of Karpov.
Kasparov and Topalov would likely never get together ego-wise but the skill-set is a better match.
|Nov-19-11|| ||wordfunph: "Could not make anything of a huge advantage today. Karjakin defended really well after I spoiled my position right before move 40."|
- GM Magnus Carlsen
|Jan-02-12|| ||Penguincw: 20...Nf4 and black seems a tad better.|
|Jan-11-12|| ||Penguincw: Tal Memorial, alwayd exciting games. :)|
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