Alexander Grischuk vs Magnus Carlsen (2013)

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Alexander Grischuk vs Magnus Carlsen
World Championship Candidates (2013), London ENG, rd 11, Mar-28
Gruenfeld Defense: Three Knights Variation (D90) · 1/2-1/2

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Mar-28-13		Ulhumbrus: Carlsen does not want to try to win even though Grischuk's rooks are disconnected.

Mar-28-13		talisman: levon's losing.

Mar-28-13		AylerKupp: <Tabanus> Ha, ha, ha! I was about to say "Tabanus would have liked it" when I saw that it was you who made the comment.

Mar-28-13		DcGentle: Can we switch to Svidler - Aronian? Please. :-)

Mar-28-13		Reisswolf: <Once: Drawn. Presumably playing the tournament situation and not taking risks. As I said, Carlsen is patient.> But where's the risk? Magnus could have played on until the time control, and at least forced Grischuk to come up with correct moves at 30 seconds per move for 20 moves. That is not trivial to do, even in a drawn position.

Mar-28-13		mwic: <boz: Carlsen repeating. Maybe he likes what he sees in Svidler-Aronian.> Wait, did this repetition happen before or after 23. ... b5?

Mar-28-13		boz: Aronian loves to throw his b- and g-pawns up the board.

Mar-28-13		AylerKupp: Yes, according to Houdini 2.0c on the FIDE site 23...b5 was an inaccuracy. But the game is not over yet.

Mar-28-13		haydn20: plang: <<haydn20: Now 18...Qc5 threatens Qc4 and a forced exchange of Q's would be bad for White,> Why would the exchange of queens be so bad for White - looks drawish actually to me. If Carlsen wants to take advantage of Kf1!? I would think he would want to keep the queens on.> I had a tactical line which ended up not working. Sometimes I "run off at the hands" typing--sorry.

Mar-28-13		AylerKupp: Great story by Short after 23...b5 in the Svlidler – Aronian game. He said that he once made a comment to Tal after a similar move along the lines of "If that's a good move then I don't understand chess." Tal's response: "That's your problem." Typical Tal.

Mar-28-13		haydn20: It seems Aronian is losing. Kramnik has a slight +, but Radja has time pressure.

Mar-28-13		csmath: <That is not trivial to do, even in a drawn position.> The position is not complicated so it would not be hard to play fast. But objectively this is a draw. If Magnus tried 23. ... Qc4 then Grischuk can force draw with Na5 by repetition. Other than that 24. Rd4 ... Qxe2 25. Kxe2 ... Nc6 26. Rxd5 ... Rxd5 27. Nxd5 ... Bxb2 reaches equal ending. White king is at the proper place so winning this with black would require some "typo" from Grischuk. White is certainly not worse. I think Magnus assessment abilities are right on target, he has nothing to play for in that ending. He tried something similar with Ivanchuk and almost got on the brink. He is not likely to repeat that.

Mar-28-13		Absentee: I really don't understand why Carlsen, with 53 minutes on the clock, agreed to a draw when Grischuk only had 12. He could have at least tried to press him into complications.

Mar-28-13		notyetagm: TWIC tweet: <MarkTWIC FIDE Candidates. From Carlsen press conference. His suggested 10.Ne5 Bxe5 11.de gh 12.Qxh5 Nd7? loses horribly 13.Bd3!! Bxd3 14.e4!! 2 hours ago · reply · retweet · favorite>

Mar-28-13		csmath: <He could have at least tried to press him into complications.> There are no "complications" available here. Unless he wanted to lose.

Mar-28-13		csmath: <MarkTWIC FIDE Candidates. From Carlsen press conference. His suggested 10.Ne5 Bxe5 11.de gh 12.Qxh5 Nd7? loses horribly 13.Bd3!! Bxd3 14.e4!!> I think Magnus would have seen it before he would take gxh5. I have "theory" about this game. I think Magnus played conservative the whole opening not because he just wanted draw but because he was really unprepared and yet again played the whole stuff more or less over the board. He mentioned that after h4 he knew that c6 should not lose and that he did not remember any sharper alternative. Thus I think this is yet another example of Magnus skipping study of openings. He played generally well anyway but without any real chance for winning the game.

Mar-28-13		notyetagm: Grischuk vs Carlsen, 2013 http://www.theweekinchess.com/ TWIC tweet: <MarkTWIC FIDE Candidates. From Carlsen press conference. His suggested 10.Ne5 Bxe5 11.de gh 12.Qxh5 Nd7? loses horribly 13.Bd3!! Bxd3 14.e4!! 2 hours ago · reply · retweet · favorite> (Carlsen press conference variation) 12 ... ♘b8-d7? click for larger view 13 ♗f1-d3!! click for larger view 13 ... ♗f5x♗d3 click for larger view 14 e3-e4!! <line-closing: d3-h7@e4+c3> click for larger view

Mar-28-13		Just Another Master: It was a good practical decision, save energy for the grinding of Chucky tomorrow, that could take 3 hours.

Mar-28-13		notyetagm: <Just Another Master: It was a good practical decision, save energy for the grinding of Chucky tomorrow, that could take 3 hours.> http://www.theweekinchess.com/chess... <"At the end I simply have no way of saving the d-pawn and playing on. If there was I might have because in general I have more useful moves but the d-pawn is falling so there's nothing I can do." - Carlsen.>

Mar-28-13		Just Another Master: thx for the link, good stuff

Mar-28-13		AylerKupp: <<mwic>: <AylerKupp> I don't even think the new and improved Wild n Crazy Grischuk would try 8. f5 (jumping over a knight with his pawn)> Hey, when you're desperately trying for a win, you sometimes have to go to extremes! :-) Of course, I meant 5,h4.

Mar-28-13		torreAC: Only 10 pages.....? had it been anand, we would have had @ 150 pages of bitter critisizm by now...

Mar-29-13		Just Another Master: well thats because Anand would not be in first place

Mar-29-13		JENTA: Perhaps <12. Qd2> was more exact (instead of the actual move 12. Qe2). I mean e3-e4 if possible. After <12. Qe2> try <12... Rc8> For example: <13. Qd2 Re8> (Among other things, makes the square f8 free for the defensive move Nd7-f8 and for the escape Kg8-f8.) At a sober moment, black will play d5:c4 and then either e6-e5 or c6-c5. If <1... cd5 cd5> then black has the c-file and the weak point c4. For example, consider <12. Qe2 Rc8 13. cd5 cd5 14. a3 a6 15. Bg6 hg6 16. g4 Re8 17. Qf1 Qb6> and white seems to have no time for Qf1-h3: <18. Qh3 Qb2 19. Qh7 Kf8> Therefore perhaps <19. Qe2 Qb3 20. 0-0 Kg7> and black stands better. Carlsen's move <12...e5> simplified the position and gave only a draw - because of the weakness of the isolated pawn d5.

Apr-06-13		lost in space: For me it seems Carlsen had 19...Qc4 click for larger view (beside 19..Qc6 as played) as only chance to play on. 20. Rxd5 Rxd5 21. Qxc4 Nxc4 22. Nxd5 Bxb2 23. Rh4 b5 and white is a bit better. click for larger view

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