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Fabiano Caruana vs Magnus Carlsen
Sinquefield Cup (2014), Saint Louis, MO USA, rd 8, Sep-04
Sicilian Defense: Old Sicilian. Open (B32)  ·  1/2-1/2


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Sep-05-14  Pulo y Gata: I didn't say he didn't try, buy as I see it I think he could have tried harder. h4-g4 was typical in that structure, what was surprising was not pursuing the attack on the open g-file, with that h-pawn as possible battering ram to boot. Well, no big deal really, he already made history with his 7-0 run, he placed the world champ on .5/2 on their head-to-head, and he's won first place with rounds to go.
Sep-05-14  torrefan: <But he could have created a tear in the fabric of history,>

Is this original?

You could have gone more poetic: <But he could have shed a tear in the laughter of history>

Sep-05-14  residentlegal: 100,000 dollars
Sep-05-14  Chris321: Congrats to Caruana!.Draw is good enough here!,one must know the cut off point,that's just as important as to press for wins.He can always do it/try again if necessary!.No need to be greedy 7,5/10 in that field Wow!,what else/more DO YOU WANT!.
Sep-05-14  team kids can win: White had some wicked tactics available after <28..Nb6> if <29.Rfd1> then possible continuations were

<...29.Kh8 30.Qxd6 Qxd6 31.Rxd6 Na4 32.Rg1 Rd8 33.Ra6 Nb2 34.Bxc5>

<29..Be7 30.Bxc5 Kh8 31.Qh2 Ra4 32.Bf2>

lots of ways for White to crack open the game for a win there.

Sep-05-14  Ulhumbrus: Looking at the position presently after 16...Bd7 White appears to have not just a slight positional advantage as I thought earlier but an overwhelming positional advantage. Partly because of Black's badly placed knight on b6 as <Luzhin> pointed out White's advantage appears to be more than winning given his central pawn superiority and greater space if other things are equal. This suggests that Kasparov was right and that I was mistaken, so that White not only may attack by 17 h4 but must.

There is one cause for uncertainty. If White plays h4 and g4 his king is not safe and this can be a serious liability. Its value to Black is uncertain.

One computer variation - not the final word, by any means- suggests that if after 17 h4 Black reacts in the centre by 17...e6 18 h5 d5 at least one variation leads to a win for Black.

By h4 White has made his king less safe and the value of this to Black is uncertain. Perhaps the players will reach a surer conclusion in time.

Sep-05-14  Uncheck: 26. B-g4 looks more interesting.
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  whiteshark: Good news is that Carlsen finally stopped Caruana's winning streak!
Sep-05-14  Jay60: The "scary" thing about Caruana is that over the few years his trajectory is definitely upwards. How much stronger will he get in the next few years? He is 22 years old, and young enough to get significantly better (unlike Karpov in 1994).
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  Garech: Wow, I can't believe Fabiano didn't play 29.Rfb1, I'm actually really disappointed!

I think there was an element of psychology to it, after Carlsen's 'blunder' with 28...Nb6, which effectively said 'okay, you can win the d6 pawn, but I will win the c4 pawn in return' - but of course this was not the case if Caruana moved the f rook instead, after which white's position must be close to winning by force.

Perhaps it was because Caruana respected Carlsen's stature that he allowed this 28...Nb6? to dictate the play, and he was also in a little time trouble, but still, it's such a shame that he didn't go 8-0!

Add another to those melancholy cases of the wrong rook.

Still, an amazing tournament from Caruana, who routinely gets great positions against Carlsen. I think we can expect a great rivalry in the coming years, which will be great for chess - and in particular great for Carlsen, as he has definitely taken his foot off the gas since gaining the title.



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  MissScarlett: One reason 29.Rfb1 wasn't played: it would be an illegal move. Besides, 29.Rfd1 is much better.
Sep-05-14  Kinghunt: <theodor: I think instead of 20.Nb3, Nf5 was the move!>

I have not looked in depth at 20. Nf5, but I do believe 20. Nf3! was likely winning. It takes the engines a while to understand, but just leave Stockfish running after playing Nf3 for 5-10 minutes and it should understand.

Sep-05-14  fisayo123: <visayanbraindoctor> <Although many fans would disagree with me, IMO Karpov at his prime was at least as strong as Carlsen is today.>

*Carlsen* fans, you mean. Most people with any sort of knowledge of chess history will know that Carlsen still has a way to go before eclipsing the achievements of Karpov.

But nice comment anyway :)

Sep-05-14  Conrad93: I don't understand how Caruana play so brilliantly and then fall into a seemingly obvious blunder like 26. 0-0?.

He claimed it looks safer, but how is it safer when black the option of f5-Bf6?

Sep-05-14  Conrad93: Anyways, even though this is a draw, Caruana pretty much proved that he is superior to Carlsen in almost every aspect of the game.
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  Check It Out: <Conrad93: Anyways, even though this is a draw, Caruana pretty much proved that he is superior to Carlsen in almost every aspect of the game.>

I disagree. I grant his opening preparation is most likely superior, but middle- and end-game technique, not to mention time management, ability to handle pressure, and myriad other factors? No. Who is superior in these areas remains to be seen and will take years to judge, much to our delight.

Sep-05-14  Absentee: <fisayo123: <visayanbraindoctor> <Although many fans would disagree with me, IMO Karpov at his prime was at least as strong as Carlsen is today.>

*Carlsen* fans, you mean. Most people with any sort of knowledge of chess history will know that Carlsen still has a way to go before eclipsing the achievements of Karpov.

But nice comment anyway :)>

He didn't say anything about achievements. He was talking of their playing strength.

Sep-05-14  john barleycorn: <Conrad93: I don't understand how Caruana play so brilliantly and then fall into a seemingly obvious blunder like 26. 0-0?.>

Transmission failure??? Shortcut in his left shoe???

Sep-05-14  Kinghunt: Just to expand on my previous comment, Stockfish scores 20. Nf3 at +1.61 at d=33, with the following main line: 20. Nf3 Bxg4 21. Ng5 Bxe2 22. Qxe2 Bh6 23. Ne6! fxe6 24. Bxh6 Rf7 25. Qg2

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So it seems Caruana did likely miss a win here. But it's tremendously complicated and overlooked even by the engines until they're both forced to look at it and given a very long time to think about it.

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  MissScarlett: If he found that even I might become prone to suspicion.
Sep-05-14  csmath: I would not call it a blunder, it is simply a change of plan, he changed his mind in the middle of the attack. This is usually not particularly good idea.

The position was so complex that he obviously could not calculate everything and Magnus played aggressive defense so he was probably concerned about his king in the middle of the board.

What is more interesting to me is that somebody would start to play Maroczy Bind versus Magnus since Magnus is clearly a guy that cherishes positional game but then the whole game turns into some sort of violent Grunfeld attack.

What you see here are two guys that are in general not afraid of each other so this is a promise for a good chess. I rank this game as one of the best on this tournament.

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  MissScarlett: < Mig Greengard @chessninja Sep 4

GK: "It's in my database! I played Be2 & was fighting draw. Later added 11.b3! in analysis. Terrible for Black."

Mig Greengard @chessninja Sep 4

.@Kasparov63 (hoping he'll come on himself soon..) realized vs Alterman that b3 is refutation of ..a5. Nearly strategically lost for Black.

Mig Greengard @chessninja Sep 4

.@Kasparov63 thinks Carlsen nervous, bad choice of opening, & that 10..a5 was a mistake, as made against him (GK) by GM Alterman in simul.>

Kasparov vs B Alterman, 1998

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  Penguincw: Analysis for this game:
Jan-17-15  KingPetrosian: It must have been a relief for everyone at this tournament when Carlsen got this draw!
Jun-26-18  Everyone: <Everyone> hope that when the world comes to an end, <Everyone> can breathe a sigh of relief, because there will be so much to look forward to.
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