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Fabiano Caruana
Number of games in database: 925
Years covered: 1999 to 2014
Last FIDE rating: 2801 (2858 rapid, 2695 blitz)
Overall record: +299 -130 =338 (61.0%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games
      Based on games in the database; may be incomplete.
      158 exhibition games, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

With the White pieces:
 Sicilian (119) 
    B90 B30 B48 B42 B31
 Ruy Lopez (92) 
    C67 C65 C84 C92 C78
 French Defense (37) 
    C11 C18 C10 C05 C16
 Ruy Lopez, Closed (34) 
    C84 C92 C89 C99 C95
 Caro-Kann (23) 
    B12 B18 B17
 Sicilian Najdorf (23) 
    B90 B96
With the Black pieces:
 Sicilian (78) 
    B42 B43 B40 B33 B51
 Ruy Lopez (66) 
    C78 C69 C80 C67 C92
 Grunfeld (49) 
    D85 D70 D90 D86 D76
 Slav (42) 
    D12 D10 D18 D11 D17
 Sicilian Kan (34) 
    B42 B43 B41
 French Defense (30) 
    C03 C02 C00 C07 C18
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NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Caruana vs E Berg, 2008 1-0
   Carlsen vs Caruana, 2014 0-1
   Caruana vs A Giri, 2012 1-0
   Karjakin vs Caruana, 2012 0-1
   Caruana vs Ponomariov, 2014 1-0
   Caruana vs Aronian, 2014 1-0
   Caruana vs Kramnik, 2012 1-0
   Caruana vs Carlsen, 2012 1-0
   Caruana vs Aronian, 2014 1-0
   Caruana vs Negi, 2011 1-0

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   Corus (Group C) (2008)
   Airports Authority of India (2011)
   Corus (Group B) (2009)
   Reykjavik Open (2012)
   Sinquefield Cup (2014)
   Russian Team Championship (2009)
   4th Young Stars of the World (2006)
   Russian Team Championships (2011)
   Hogeschool Zeeland Tournament (2007)
   Reykjavik Open (2008)
   Aeroflot Open (2012)
   World Cup (2013)
   Tradewise Gibraltar (2011)
   Chess Olympiad (2012)
   Olympiad (2008)

GAME COLLECTIONS: [what is this?]
   Fabiano Caruana and the Bishop Pair by Lupara
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   large collection by 1d410
   CARUANA'S BEST GAMES by notyetagm
   2014 Tournaments/Sharjah GP/Sinquefield Cup by wanabe2000
   Game Collections by Jimmy W
   Chess Network Videos: Part 2 by Penguincw
   Ruy Lopez GTM by pbalak

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(born Jul-30-1992, 22 years old) United States of America (citizen of Italy)

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FM (2002); IM (2005); GM (2007); Italian Champion (2007, 2008, 2010, 2011).


Fabiano Luigi Caruana was born in Miami, Florida. He moved with his family to Brooklyn, New York, in 1996 and soon started playing chess. Under the tutelage of USCF National Master Bruce Pandolfini, he kicked off his tournament career at the Polgár Chess Centre in Queens. GM Miron N Sher started coaching Caruana when the latter was 8. Caruana made his first appearance in FIDE-rated tournaments in February 2002 when he was 9 years old, playing in the New York February Congress and soon thereafter in the Edward Lasker Tuesday Grand Prix. He then moved with his family to Madrid in 2004 to pursue a professional career under the guidance of coach IM Boris A Zlotnik. The Caruana family then moved to Budapest in 2007 where Fabiano would train with GM Alexander Chernin. He also trained with GM Pal Benko, when Benko was spending summers in New Jersey, and online with GM Gregory Kaidanov. (1)

He became a grandmaster at the age of 14 years 11 months and 20 days, the youngest-ever grandmaster from the United States, and also the youngest-ever from Italy (as Caruana holds dual citizenship).


<Youth and Junior>: In June 2002, Caruana won the U-10 category of the Pan-American Youth Championships, thereby earning his FM title, and in November 2002 competed in the World U10 Championship held in Heraklio. He also competed in the 2004 U12 World Championship in Heraklio and at the age of 14 came =2nd at the Italian Junior (U20) Championship.

<Regional, National and Continental>: He achieved joint first places in the U.S. Eastern Open and the Italian Championship in 2006. In the latter, he tied with (then) four-time Italian Champion Michele Godena but lost in a rapid game play-off for the title. In 2007 Caruana won the Italian Championship with a score of +8 (9.5/11) to become the youngest ever Italian champion and then successfully defended his title in 2008 when he scored 8/11, a half point ahead of Godena with whom he drew in the last round. He did not compete in the Italian Championship in 2009 because of his commitment in the World Cup, but won again in 2010 and again in 2011, the latter with 10/11; he did not compete in 2012. He has competed in all European Individual Championships since his inaugural participation in 2008, but has not made the leader board in this event.

<World>: Qualifying for the World Cup (2009) as one of the six nominees of the FIDE President (2), Caruana’s inaugural participation in this event was quite auspicious. Rated 2652 and ranked number 81 in the world at the time, Caruana defeated Lazaro Bruzon (2619), Leinier Dominguez Perez (2719, world #21) and Evgeny Alekseev (2715, world #25) before falling to Vugar Gashimov (2758, world #6) in the fourth round rapid-game tiebreaker. Qualifying for the World Cup (2011) via his rating, he won his first round game against Russian GM Aleksei Pridorozhni and his second round game against Ukrainian GM Yuri Drozdovskij in the classical mini-matches, but lost in the 25+10 rapid-game tiebreaker in the third round to the eventual winner, Russian GM Peter Svidler. Caruana qualified for the 2013 World Cup on the basis of his rating, but he also participated in the 2012-13 Grand Prix series to select two Candidates for the 2014 Candidates Tournament. He played in the FIDE Grand Prix Tashkent (2012), where he scored 6/11 to place =4th and 80 Grand Prix points, in the FIDE Grand Prix Zug (2013) where he placed =3rd to earn another 100 Grand Prix points, =2nd at the FIDE Grand Prix Thessaloniki (2013) to add another 125 GP points to tot up a three-event total of 305 points (3) and needed to win the final Grand Prix event - the FIDE Grand Prix Paris (2013) - outright to qualify for the Candidates Tournament 2014, as he was 165 GP points behind Shakhriyar Mamedyarov who was in 2nd place, and who had no further Grand Prix events in which to play. As it turned out, he placed =1st with Boris Gelfand (winning on tiebreak) to gain 155 points and place third in the Grand Prix series, which means he will be first alternate if one of the Candidates is unavailable for the Candidates Tournament in 2014.

Caruana also missed his opportunity to qualify for the Candidates at the World Cup (2013), an event he qualified for via his rating; when he defeated Akash G in the first round, Yangyi Yu in the 2nd round, Vladimir Malakhov in the third round and Julio Ernesto Granda Zuniga in the Round of 16 (fourth round) but was eliminated in the quarter final (round five) by Maxime Vachier-Lagrave.


Caruana has been an extremely active tournament player since he started on that path in the Polgár Chess Centre at the age of 6. For the first few years he played in numerous domestic events in the US, especially in New York and the northeast of the US – frequently appearing at events in the Marshall Chess Club (during which time he beat the late Aleksander Wojtkiewicz at the age of 10 years 61 days, breaking Hikaru Nakamura ‘s record of being the youngest to defeat a GM in a USCF sanctioned event (4)) - but with occasional sojourns to foreign events such as the Youth World Championships in Greece, Pan American events in South America and First Saturday events in Budapest, all the while steadily accumulating ratings points. He first participated in the US Open in 2002, and also did so in 2003 and 2004.

His first victory at a FIDE-rated open tournament was first place in the First Saturday IM that was held in July 2005, a feat which netted him 83 Elo points on top of 43 points he gained with his 4th place at the Madrid Championships. When he won the First Saturday IM tournament in December 2005, he also gained his third IM norm and his IM title at the age of 13 years 4 months and 15 days. In 2006, Caruana won the 19th Moratalaz International Open held in August 2006 in Spain, and tied for first place in the 1st "Ascala de Henares" International Open in October 2006. In 2007, Caruana placed =3rd in the 2007 EU Individual Open Championship, won the Hogeschool Zeeland Tournament (2007) (aka Vlissingen chess tournament) when he drew with his last round opponent, former FIDE world champion Rustam Kasimdzhanov. He also won the First Saturday GM events in March, April and July 2007, winning his first 3 GM norms and his GM title a couple of weeks before his 15th birthday. Another event he won during 2007 was the FE Capo d'Orso held in Italy in May.

In 2008, he won Corus (Group C) (2008) impressively, two points ahead of his nearest rivals Dimitri Reinderman and fellow prodigy Parimarjan Negi. The year 2009 started with a win in Corus (Group B) (2009) although he took a small step backward at Biel International Chess Festival (2009) (4/10). However, 2010 saw him win the Biel Chess Festival (2010) in a field of fellow junior super grandmaster. He started off 2011 in the category 18 Reggio Emilia (2010), scoring 4.5/9 (+1 -1 =7) for 6th place, and followed this up with 7/10 at the Tradewise Gibraltar (2011), first place at the Airports Authority of India (2011) and suffered a momentary lapse of form to score only 4/10 at the Biel Chess Festival (2011). In October 2011, he came third in the 12th Karpov International (2011).

Caruana started 2012 with =2nd (3rd on count back) with 5.5/10 at the category 20 Reggio Emilia (2011) and followed up with =2nd alongside Magnus Carlsen and Teimour Radjabov and behind Levon Aronian at the Tata Steel (2012), scoring 8/13 (+4 -1 =8; TPR 2837). The latter result catapulted him into the top ten on the live rating list for the first time. He placed =4th (6th on tiebreak) at the Aeroflot Open (2012) with 6/9 and then survived a last round challenge by Yifan Hou to take outright 1st place at the Reykjavik Open (2012) with 7.5/9 (+6 =3; TPR 2777). He followed up in May by winning the 20th Sigeman & Co Chess Tournament (2012) and taking 2nd place (on tiebreak) in the category 22 Tal Memorial (2012) with 5/9 (+3 -2 =4; TPR 2820) behind Carlsen. His best results so far have been his victories in July 2012 at Dortmund (2012) and in September/October 2012 at the Bilbao Masters (2012) where he lost to Carlsen in blitz tie-breaks after sharing first place. In November 2012, Caruana drew all six of his games to place 3rd in the Double Round Robin quadrangular category 20 Kings' Tournament (2012) behind Vassily Ivanchuk and Veselin Topalov, respectively. 2013 started badly for Caruana, scoring only 5/13 in the category 20 Tata Steel (2013) at Wijk aan Zee. However, he recovered to some extent at the category 19 GRENKE Chess Classic (2013) by placing outright 2nd with 6/10 behind Viswanathan Anand, and then returned to full form in the category 21 (av: 2772) Zurich Chess Challenge (2013) with outright first, scoring 4/6 (+2 =4), including wins over World Champion Anand and the previous challenger for the title, Boris Gelfand, with a performance rating of 2898. At the category 22 Tal Memorial (2013), Caruana equalized his lifetime score against Carlsen in classical games by winning their round 3 game to bring their personal tally in this form of the game to +2 -2 =5; he finished 3rd in this event, a point behind the winner Boris Gelfand and a half point behind the runner-up Magnus Carlsen. Subsequently he won the Kings Tournament (2013) with 5/8.

Caruana started 2014 with a solid 6/11 at the category 20 Tata Steel (2014), placing =4th behind Levon Aronian, Anish Giri and Sergey Karjakin respectively. He followed up with 2.5/5 to place 3rd in the category 23 Zurich Chess Challenge (2014). Caruana won the follow-up Zurich Chess Challenge (Rapid) (2014) to determine placing in the overall event, Caruana's result in the rapid lifted his final placement to =2nd with Aronian behind Carlsen. In April 2014, he placed outright second behind Magnus Carlsen at the category 22 Gashimov Memorial (2014), which was inaugurated in honor of the late Azeri GM Vugar Gashimov. In June he was =4th with 4.5/9 at the category 21 Norway Chess Tournament (2014). The following month he won a stunning victory at the category 19 Dortmund Sparkassen Chess Meeting (2014) with 5.5/7, 1.5 points ahead of the runners-up and moved into the "2800 club" by rating. September 2014 saw Caruana win arguably the strongest tournament in history, the Category 23 Sinquefield Cup (2014). In the most powerful display in the history of chess, he won the first 7 games of the tournament - against Topalov (twice), Vachier-Lagrave (twice), Carlsen, Aronian and Nakamura before drawing with Carlsen in their return game in round 8 (having missed a winning chance), whereupon he clinched first place with 7.5/8 with two rounds to spare ahead of a shell-shocked field, an unassailable 3 points clear of Carlsen. This historic result also lifted his live rating to near record levels, eclipsing all except Carlsen and Kasparov.


Caruana did not distinguish himself at the Ruy Lopez Festival 2008 in the seven round closed tournament where he scored only 2.5/7, but won the two-day rapid open tournament that followed with a score of +6 (7.5/9), a clear point ahead of the field. The 2008 Cape d’Agde was a knock-out closed rapid tournament organized into two round robin groups of eight players each, with the top four scorers of each group proceeding to the quarter-finals, the semi-finals, and then the finals. Caruana won his group but lost to Anatoly Karpov in a closely fought quarter final encounter. Immediately prior to the Zurich Chess Challenge (2013) in February, Caruana won the Zurich Chess Challenge (Blitz) (2013), scoring 5/6 beating Vladimir Kramnik, Gelfand and Anand in their individual two-game matches. He placed =2nd with 10.5/15 at the FIDE World Rapid Championship (2014), half a point behind the winner Carlsen, but managed to retain his number one ranking in the rapid form of the game. He also competed in the FIDE World Blitz Championship (2014), but his 11.5/21 was insufficient to move his blitz rating by more than a point.

Team play:

Soon after moving to Madrid, Caruana participated in the Madrid Team Championships.

<Club competition>: Caruana played board 3 for the ShSM-64 Moscow in the European Club Cup competitions of 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2013 the best result being team and individual fifth place in 2011, and team bronze in the European Club Cup (2013) playing board one with his new team SOCAR. He played for the Italian team Obiettivo Risarcimento in the European Club Cup (2014). He and his team ShSM-64 were far more successful in the Russian Premier League, where he won individual gold and team silver in 2009 (on board 4), individual bronze and team gold in 2010 (board 4), individual and team gold in 2010 (board 3) and individual and team bronze in 2011. Caruana has also played in the Bundesliga (2008 and 2009); the Italian Team Championships (2009 & 2012), the Spanish League (CECLUB 2009), the Swiss Team Championships (2010 to 2012), the French Top 12 (2011) and the Greek Team Championships (2012).

<National Teams>: In June 2008, Caruana played first board for Italy in the Mitropa Cup 2008, a four-board team competition amongst 10 "middle" European nations. He scored +6 (7.5/9) winning the first board prize with a performance rating of 2810. In the same event in 2009, held in Rogaska Slatina in Slovenia, he lead Italy to a silver medal and won individual gold with 7.5/9. He played for Italy in the European Team Championships in 2007, 2009, 2011 and 2013, his best personal results being 4th on board 1 in 2009 scoring 5.5/8 and 4th on board 1 in 2013 when he scored 6/9.

<Olympiads>: Caruana represented Italy on board 1 at the 2008, 2010, 2012 and 2014 Olympiads.


Caruana was the world's top junior for 20 months, starting in January 2011. As of 1 September 2014, his rating was:

<Standard> 2801 (Italian #1; world #3);

<Rapid> 2858 (world #1);

<Blitz> 2695 (world #44).


He currently lives in Europe and in Tarpon Springs, Florida.

Sources and references:

Wikipedia article: Fabiano Caruana; (1): Chessbase biography: (2):; (3) Wikipedia article: FIDE Grand Prix 2012%E2%80%932013; live rating:; (4): Caruana vs Wojtkiewicz, 2002

 page 1 of 37; games 1-25 of 925  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves Year Event/LocaleOpening
1. Caruana vs C Bean 1-023 1999 G45D31 Queen's Gambit Declined
2. Caruana vs R Hess 1-031 2001 Guaymallen PanAM-chJ U10 AbsolutoC57 Two Knights
3. Caruana vs S Iermito  1-036 2001 Guaymallen PanAM-chJ U10 AbsolutoC58 Two Knights
4. Caruana vs Wojtkiewicz 1-045 2002 New York September ActionB27 Sicilian
5. Caruana vs B Karen  ½-½27 2002 Nassau FuturityB27 Sicilian
6. B Karen vs Caruana  ½-½30 2002 Nassau FuturityC60 Ruy Lopez
7. Caruana vs J Langreck  ½-½53 2003 World OpenB30 Sicilian
8. R K Delaune vs Caruana  1-051 2003 World Open: Open SectionA16 English
9. Caruana vs R Ziatdinov 0-122 2003 World Open: Open SectionC53 Giuoco Piano
10. W So vs Caruana 1-027 2004 WYCC - B12B21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
11. S Kriventsov vs Caruana  1-040 2004 Marshall CC Saturday ActionB33 Sicilian
12. Caruana vs S Farago 1-060 2004 FSIM JuneB04 Alekhine's Defense, Modern
13. Caruana vs Yudasin  ½-½59 2004 120th NY MastersB53 Sicilian
14. Caruana vs P Prohaszka  ½-½37 2005 FSIM MayB17 Caro-Kann, Steinitz Variation
15. O Nazarenus vs Caruana  0-138 2005 FSIM JuneA16 English
16. K Laciner vs Caruana  1-021 2005 FSIM JuneD82 Grunfeld, 4.Bf4
17. O Katsuhara vs Caruana  0-141 2005 FSIM JuneA16 English
18. Tri Hoang vs Caruana  0-136 2005 FSIM DecemberA45 Queen's Pawn Game
19. L Eperjesi vs Caruana  ½-½27 2005 FSIM JuneD85 Grunfeld
20. Caruana vs S Farago  1-061 2005 FSIM JuneB03 Alekhine's Defense
21. E Kahn vs Caruana  1-044 2005 FSIM JuneA00 Uncommon Opening
22. Caruana vs J Brustkern  ½-½16 2005 FSIM JuneB40 Sicilian
23. Caruana vs R Torma  ½-½51 2005 FSIM JuneB50 Sicilian
24. Caruana vs B Lengyel  1-047 2005 FSIM JuneC24 Bishop's Opening
25. Caruana vs Z Erdelyi  1-026 2005 FSIM MayB40 Sicilian
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  Garech: <SirRuthless>

I am using Naka (and Carlsen) as a comparison because <MarkFinan> said that Naka (and Carlsen) has something that Caruana does not have.

I do not agree that this is the case, as outlined above. Mark defined this as character and so I am outlining the most obvious differences between the characters of Naka and Carlsen, collectively, and Caruana.

I think Naka is a fantastic player who has enormous talent and I enjoy immensely watching him play. However, is it somewhat blemished by the outrageous things that he does and says. For instance: we do not see Caruana going on twitter and saying he is the only person who can 'stop Sauron' and so on. Instead, Caruana quietly lets his chess do the talking and, in my opinion, this is far more direct and real than Naka's approach. Caruana does not have any need to be cocky or arrogant, and I respect this in a person a lot.

I agree that Naka is very approachable, always plays blitz games with fans and talks etc - and this is all great. But his emotional outbursts are something that he needs to work on. (There was another instance when he talked about 'crushing Grischuk like a baby' on Twitter as sour grapes after missing a win. More recently he claimed he was playing Carlsen and started claiming he would get the IP of his opponent on after winning, yes winning, a blitz match 80-20 against a lesser known master).

I don't see any reason why Caruana would not agree with what I'm saying. I am not Naka-bashing, this stuff is all true!


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  Garech: <Mark Finan>

<I think you're a really nice bloke with a passion for chess. But we're completely different breeds of men from completely different type of places, with completely different backgrounds and completely different opinions. I think I'm completely right when I say ^^ that. Right?>

I don't know how you can say this when you know nothing about me!


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  MarkFinan: Okay. You're right. We're similar in every way possible. ✌
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  Absentee: Well, you're both mammals (I suppose). It's a start.
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  SetNoEscapeOn: < The fact that they are young is also a major element of their rivalry. >

Have we ever had a younger combined age for world #1 and #2 in all of chess history?

Sep-21-14  achieve: <Garech> Good stuff there, and you are well informed, clearly, and aware of quiet waters that run deep, but are you aware that young Giri has published his first book, that it was received very well, that Giri writes in depth articles and analysis for New in Chess, that while he was 18 he beat Carlsen in 23 moves, with the Black pieces?

That he, a son of a Nepalese father and Russian mother, while living in Japan at the time, playing mostly table tennis and hanging out with friends, WON THE RUSSIAN U12 Championship??

That Giri is the person when you see him talk, socialize, dress mostly impeccably, takes care of his appearance, is the last person you would consider to be a "chess geek" type?

It is in fact criminal, the stupidity and ignorance and arrogance at display here, eg by your partner in conversation, which prevents him from learning from people that do care for first rate information, and have a lot to offer in that regard, but are pigeon-holed and ridiculed with stunning regularity.

But Garech, getting back to Giri's remark about Aronian... You are sure that you are not quoting the "boy" out of context, are you?

Regardless, sometimes it is best to think before speaking of rivals and superGMs, but, as you said, Anish is very young and he will mature rapidly, being just 20 years of age.

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  MarkFinan: <It is in fact criminal, the stupidity and ignorance and arrogance at display here, eg by your partner in conversation, which prevents him from learning from people that do care for first rate information, and have a lot to offer in that regard, but are pigeon-holed and ridiculed with stunning regularity.>

Calm down Mr Olympia LOL.. Like Garech said. <"I don't know how you can say this when you know nothing about me!


Cheers. 🙌

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  Garech: <achieve>

Sure, I had heard about Giri's book and that it was a success. I did not know that he writes for NIC, though, which is very impressive.

I watched his win against Carlsen live and it was also impressive but it's important to remember that it came from a gross blunder by Carlsen (missing 20...e3) that is incredibly rare. That said, Carlsen remains yet to beat Giri, but if their respective results and ratings are compared there is no doubt who is the greater player at the moment.

Don't get me wrong, I think Giri has massive talent - not least because his results in recent years have come whilst he was still at school, which is truly remarkable. I look forward very much to seeing how he develops in the coming months and years. (He is the wildcard for the Grand Prix that will start in ten days and is one of the direct routes to the Candidate's Tournament of 2016, with the top two finishers qualifying immediately).

He's also at his highest historical rating, and climbing rapidly. It will be very interesting to see what happens with him for sure.

Yes, he presents himself very well, and he is sophisticated for his age. He also speaks a handful of languages, IIRC.

Absolutely, he was young when he made the comment about Aronian, and it is forgivable, of course. There have been other instances though, like his behaviour after losing to Yifan Hou, and a couple of other things.

But we are all human; it's normal and even healthy to act this way from time to time, especially when we are teenagers!

I'm sure Giri will prove himself to be a super-elite player before long, and I look forward to seeing if and when this happens.

I *always* think before I speak. This is too much the case :D

<Mark> - Cheers to you too!


Sep-21-14  metatron2: <MarkFinan: I *personally* don't think Caruana has what it takes to be a WCC [..] no one here will ever change my mind about him.>

Are you really that sure that you'll never change your mind about Caruana ?

There really is no possible way you'll ever reconsider that opinion in the future ?

Sep-21-14  mucher1: I'm sure that being, say, a 300 lb transvestite, or a serial killer, might lead one or the other into thinking of himself as a different breed of man. But would it necessarily make him a better judge of character?
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  MarkFinan: <metatron2: <MarkFinan: I *personally* don't think Caruana has what it takes to be a WCC [..] no one here will ever change my mind about him.> Are you really that sure that you'll never change your mind about Caruana ?

There really is no possible way you'll ever reconsider that opinion in the future ?>

Of course there is. When he wins the WCC I'll gladly eat my words, but just because someone on a chess site says something I don't agree with won't make me change my mind about the guy.

<mucher1: I'm sure that being, say, a 300 lb transvestite, or a serial killer, might lead one or the other into thinking of himself as a different breed of man. But would it necessarily make him a better judge of character?>

LOL! I am different from Garech but I'm not 300lb and I'm not a serial killer either!? There's another sentence I never thought I'd say, haha ✌

Sep-21-14  Catfriend: <SetNoEscapeOn: Have we ever had a younger combined age for world #1 and #2 in all of chess history?> Great question.

It seems they are indeed youngest at 23+22=45.

Kasparov was first #2 in July 1982, aged 19. Karpov was 31, so it's 50, a tad more.

In January 2012, Carsen was 21, Aronian 29. 50.

In July 1992, Kasparov was 29, Ivanchuk was 22, for 51.

In November 2009, Topalov was 34, Carlsen 18. 52.

Now for the past (using chessmetrics):
In June 1891, Lasker was 22, Tarrasch was 29. 51 once again.

In October 1897, Lasker was 28, Pillsbury was 24. 52.

In August 60, Tal was 23, Petrosian 31. 54.

Now, this is all about numbers. If we allow ourselves a judgement call and consider Kasparov #2 strongest in early 1981 (1980 is just a bit of a stretch), we have 29+17=46 and they are quite close!

Sep-21-14  Catfriend: I'd like to add that for now, no pair is a real threat to the 45 record. Giri might perhaps reach top-2, but will So, Ding Liren or Rapport join him there? They've got at most 3-4 years to do that!

Alternatively, Anand (44) and a newly-born cyborg with Stockfish implants could do this... If they hurry.

Sep-21-14  achieve: So breaking 50 is truly a landmark achievement; a rarity. Thanks for doing the research!
Sep-21-14  achieve: <Garech> <Giri supposedly prone to arrogance>

From experience I can tell you Giri is not at all the arrogant type, but he may be a tad spoiled, everything just about goes his way, three times dutch national champ in his teens, and this young man is just very confident, perhaps his youthful confidence can come across as slightly arrogant, but essentially he is a thoughtful and very kind young man. But the transition from boy to young man always is accompanied with a bit of rebelliousness.

Sep-21-14  SirRuthless: That is because life hasn't kicked his butt yet. It will. The years get everyone.
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  SetNoEscapeOn: <Catfriend>

Outstanding, thanks!

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  Garech: <Achieve>

Sure thing, the impression I get from Giri is overwhelmingly positive and great. Both on and off the board he is accomplished and ambitious. Only today I discovered his website for the first time, and I was impressed.

As indicated, I look forward to seeing how far he develops, as his natural talent is abundantly evident.

I'm just saying that there have been a couple of -forgivable- instances where he has acted inappropriately or said some questionable things. He is twenty years old; this is absolutely to be expected and it's clear from his personality that he will grow out of it.

Generally he is more modest than arrogant; in the press conference after his win against Carlsen he stressed, emphatically, that he doubted Carlsen would have a similar loss within ten years.

He is a great young player and I wish him well!



Sep-21-14  nok: Keres and Fine were in their early twenties when they stumped everyone in Margate and AVRO.
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  MarkFinan: I. Can't. Believe. This! People are pulling numbers and stats out of a hat and now people are comparing him to Kasparov and Fischer! You people need to think about that for a minute!? In all honesty I wish this guy all the best, I really do. I hope he achieves (no pun intended, lol) his dream of playing Karpov to Kasparov's fiddle by becoming the second best player in the world for a long time to come, but I've read this book before in every sport. The new kid comes along, everyone who's passionate about the sport hails the new king before the old king has passed. It's ridiculous!

<achieve> You may as well be <ChrisOwen> to me old pal. I have no idea what you're talking about! I believe in forgiving but not forgetting.... I forgave your gobbledygook sins 2 years ago but I haven't forgotten. So keep on? I know you're <ChrisOwen> so I award you a bronze medal for effort in deliberately posting provocative nonsense after my posts this last week.. ✌

Sep-21-14  achieve: <Garech> I know it is late, so no need to respond, but what was the incident with Yifan about? I will look it up, later.

And my best regards to you, and I appreciate the thoughtfulness you display "across the board", and the generosity in your responding posts is abundantly clear.

Like a breath of fresh air, really.

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  MarkFinan: Thought so.
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  Garech: <achieve>

No problem with the time, I am a night owl :D

Here is the link:

It is not a major incident, as indicated, he is simply letting his emotions get the better of him, and I for one expect nothing less from a player his age from time to time. Moreover, I am sure it is something we will not see very often as, generally speaking, he is one of the good guys.

Best regards to you as well,


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  Lupara: <Garech> You have made some very astute observations and salient points regarding Caruana and his style of play.

Anyone who knows me on this site also knows that I am not some recent Caruana bandwagon jumper. Right <parmetd>?

If you don't know me, just check my bio and you'll understand why I have supported Caruana well before he became well known (in the chess world at least).

I think I know what <MarkFinan> is trying to say about Caruana and Giri, but I can't be sure until <MarkFinan> identifies or at least attempts to better define what the "it", that Caruana and Giri supposedly don't have, actually is.

Suffice it to say that I disagree with <MarkFinan> on this issue. Nonetheless, he has every right to come here, or anywhere else for that matter, and voice his opinion. After all, this forum was made for these kinds of discussions and debate.

But we should be mindful to not let our disagreements lead to personal attacks or snap judgments about the person on the other side of the keyboard. To that end, <MarkFinan> I am too old and have seen and done too much in my lifetime not to feel comfortable in my skin or to hold my tongue and compliment someone's good looks.

Salute to all.

Sep-22-14  Billy Vaughan: Re: Giri, I think people totally misinterpreted his coffeehouse player remark. The quotation, by the way, was "I'm getting coffeehouse positions against coffeehouse players," after losing three tactical melees in a row to Aronian, Ivanchuk, and Gashimov. Now, Anish may be cocky but he ain't stupid—insulting these players' indisputable class after losing to them makes no sense. It's just not factual.

It becomes clearer when you see that "coffeehouse player" refers not to their class as chessplayers, but to their comfort in wild positions. It's a compliment, and one that is quite apropos given the context.

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